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Just Plain Joe

12-04-2006 06:00:58




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Every time I go into my Outlook Express I download a large number of junk emails. They are commercial advertisements selling everything from wristwatches to holiday trips and everything inbetween. The advertisements seem to be coming from individuals, probably much like myself. Just regular types of email addresses. How is this stuff being routed within the system into my computer?




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MarkB_MI

12-04-2006 19:39:36




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 Re: Junk email question ...... in reply to Just Plain Joe, 12-04-2006 06:00:58  
In general, spam email is routed through foreign countries such as China. The "From:" address is always forged; sometimes it will be a real address belonging to an unsuspecting third party, other times it is just plain bogus.

You can tell a little bit about where a spam email is coming from by reading the mail header. Most email clients suppress this information, but there is almost always a way to turn the headers on. The headers will show the real path to the sender. Note that the spammers are clever enough to garble this information as well, either by using bogus DNS names (IP addresses can't be disguised), or by making it look like they merely relayed the message from another site.

There's a lot of information on this topic out on the web. The link below describes how this all works in excruciating detail.

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adf

12-04-2006 09:46:40




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 Re: Junk email question ...... in reply to Just Plain Joe, 12-04-2006 06:00:58  
In addition to what everyone else has said,

Don't open those messages, don't even view them in the preview pane. By opening them, many have a small amount of html code that once the message is opened, its run, and reports back to a malicious web site that the message was opened, and confirms its a good address to send to. This code doesn't generate any on screen activity, so it all happens in the background, completely un-noticed by you. If you do happen to catch it (I did once using the log in my router), and go to the web site, you're computer instantly gets infected with trojans and viruses, and other nasty things that can be a real pain to remove.

This includes the preview pane that is usually on by default in outlook and outlook express. Turn that off.

Think twice about who you give your email address to, and where you post it. Places like yahoo groups, and public message boards can be good places for spammers to harvest email addresses.

Check with your internet provider, they may have free tools available to there customers to help filter and manage spam. I'm not sure about outlook express, but the full version of outlook has a junk mail filter that works pretty well.

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Bill from MA

12-04-2006 10:32:59




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 Re: Junk email question ...... in reply to adf, 12-04-2006 09:46:40  
The 'hole' in email design is that the "from:" heading is not validated so anyone can put anything in there and all the email servers on the internet will process it. Makes it almost impossible to track down where it all comes from.

There have been discussions of changing that, but I'd expect it to take (another) decade.

Bill



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Gene-AL

12-04-2006 08:33:22




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 Re: Junk email question ...... in reply to Just Plain Joe, 12-04-2006 06:00:58  
Joe,
A suggestion - If available to you, go to the web e-mail site at your Internet Service Provider using your browser, look in your mailbox and dump all the trash BEFORE you use Outlook Express to download any mail that you actually want. Sure beats downloading all that junk into OE and then sorting it out.

Spammers apparently use a database of names and subjects to make their spam look like personal messages to outfox the spam filters that the ISP's use.

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Howard H.

12-04-2006 07:09:58




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 Re: Junk email question ...... in reply to Just Plain Joe, 12-04-2006 06:00:58  

Just like junk mail at the post office, it can come from many different locations.

Your email address may be on someone's marketing list. That list may have been sold and/or traded around.

Some companies may respect the email accounts on their lists - some may abuse them to the absolute maximum.

Depending on who has your account, sometimes using the opt-out link at the bottom will help get you off their list. OR if they are unscrupulous, THEN they just know your account is really "live" and they bump you up to the "gold list" to sell to the next guy down the street and it just makes it worse.

A lot of spam is generated by guessing. Spammers might have a "dictionary" of 200,000 common names and then a list of domains (@hotmail.com, @gmail.com, @sbcglobal.net), etc, and just pair all names to all domains... So it may be nothing you've done, or can control whatsoever.

Some email may be generated to you from an acquaintance's virus infected PC - but this seems to be lessening somewhat.

It doesn't help that so many people send jokes, petitions, boycotts against oil companies, etc, to everyone in their address book AND leave everyone's address visible to everyone else. That can allow "harvesting" of accounts to add to the mix.

I have a main email account I use for "real" and a fake one that I never check that I use for signing up for website access (like newspapers, for example) or for giving to salesman that I don't care to hear from again. That helps.

I maintain the email accounts for a domain and created a new account a few weeks ago that we wound up not using. I didn't tell anyone about it and no one ever used it. I happened to notice some time after that, that the account had already started getting spam!

Most email providers these days are trying to keep it as clean as possible. The commercial filters for straining email can be very expensive. Hence, huge providers like hotmail, gmail, etc, can more thoroughly protect their accounts, so you might have better luck creating an account with one of them...

Howard

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Dave Sherburne NY

12-04-2006 06:31:17




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 Re: Junk email question ...... in reply to Just Plain Joe, 12-04-2006 06:00:58  
These people have a a trojan horse virus that has taken over their computer and is using it to send Emails to you Ask Kim Komando about it. You can eliminate most of those Emails in your computer by using Firefox as your web browser, and
change to Hotmail.com for your e-mail service.
Get Firefox here Link



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