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Youngfarmhand

11-30-2006 18:23:20




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I was wandering how equipment loans worked. I know how loans for vehicles work but how many months will banks go on older equipment and what do the interest rates run.




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Seth_ia

12-01-2006 21:00:10




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 Re: Equipment Loans in reply to Youngfarmhand, 11-30-2006 18:23:20  
Since this post has got alittle off topic let me add a little. I don't know where you live nor am I looking to pick a fight. However, some of the advice you have gotten below can sink a beginning farmer in my area in a hurry. The part about livestock is great, they multiply. The advice about not buying machinery, but putting money into land will break any beginning farmer in my area of central iowa. The only people that can buy land in this area are investors and VERY stable farmers. In this area cash rents are mostly reasonable, but land to rent is in very short supply. Land to rent is the biggest barrier to entry. Operatinig capital is really not that hard to find. Do not worry about the cost of the machinery. The important part to worry about is the cost per acre and what a purchase does to your profit margin.

What one has to realize is that the US farm program provides about a break even on corn, soybean, and other program crops. Which makes bankers a worry less about loaning money. Remember this phase,"farming the FSA". The second piece of advice is to learn all you can about federal multiparel crop insurance. What most don't realize is that there is a price support system built into certain parts of that program. They say the devil is in the details, but when it comes to the farm program, "the PROFIT is in the details".

As far as the question on interest rates. I believe the interest on one loan I have is 7%. That loan is for 4 years. Reasonable bankers look at the loan amout and your acerage, and set the number of years accordingly. Previously enjoyed machinery would likely be 5 years or less.

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farmermatt

12-01-2006 09:16:25




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 Re: Equipment Loans in reply to Youngfarmhand, 11-30-2006 18:23:20  
Atleast where I come from farmers dont "share" equipment. If your dad has some equipment you can arange to use thats great. Just like a mechanic has to have tools, a farmer's gotta have a little equipment. Look at how many acres youre going over and what it would cost you to hire the work done. You dont have to have the newest or the highest price color to have a goo piece of equipment. Dont get carried away, old equipment can be found pretty cheap. A big tractor can do little jobs too. If you dont have alot of acres, you dont need more than one dependable tractor. Keep it simple borrow only what you have to and pay it off. You gotta find a good ag banker and talk to him. When buying old equipment dont plan on paying for it with custom work, my banker trys to push me that way all the time. Some of the responses youve gotten are very out of touch with real begining farmers today. Thngs arent the way they used to be, you can't pay for land in less than ten years. But youve still gotta have a little equipment to farm anything. Matt

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nickg

12-01-2006 06:41:50




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 Re: Equipment Loans in reply to Youngfarmhand, 11-30-2006 18:23:20  
Don't be scared to go to the bank for a equipment loan. I wouldn't finance every thing from them I would pay cash for as much as I could. Gettin statrted in farming now is tuff. If you have any farmers that are on good terms with you chances are they will help you if they can. At least around here were I live. I started with a 67 4020 and a 7000 deere 6 row planter with splitters. I no-tilled so i didn't need a disk. I bought a planter with splitters so I only had one planter. I bought it at a sale for around 2000. It needed some work but nothing major. I was fortunate enough that a guy I help farm wit let me use his disk if I needed and we worked a deal out on him harvesting for me.Now we are farming together and farm about 2000 acres.

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kyhayman

12-01-2006 05:18:55




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 Re: Equipment Loans in reply to Youngfarmhand, 11-30-2006 18:23:20  
Tom in TN gives the best advice I have seen in years on starting out. Its the same path I followed. Borrow money for things that appreciate in value like land and buildings that generate income, dont borrow for things that depreciate in value.

I worked 8-10 hours after school every day on the farm, saved all I could. Everything I made, I invested in cows. Equipment I rented or leased except a trailer. When I finally had a little money put back I bought land. I had 60K saved up when I got my first farm back in 1987. I was in college. Only loan I could get was a demand note. Got 250K to buy the farm. I made the choice to live with my parents and rent the farm house out to generate cash flow.

I didnt start buying equipment until up in the 90's, and then I bought junk and paid principle on the loan on the land. My first tractor was a 560 long, and a POS. My first hay rake I bought in the scrap iron pile. It wasnt until 1999, 4 years after the farm was paid off that I started getting decent equipment. I was was 30 before I got married and well into my 30s before I had kids.

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Allan In NE

12-01-2006 05:28:28




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 Re: Equipment Loans in reply to kyhayman, 12-01-2006 05:18:55  
You darned right!

To get up on the roof, it makes no sense to go down the basement stairs.

Gotta crawl before ya walk, walk before ya run.

Allan



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Allan In NE

12-01-2006 03:49:44




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 Re: Equipment Loans in reply to Youngfarmhand, 11-30-2006 18:23:20  
You really, really don't wanna do that. If you don't have the cash, leave it set on the lot.

Just my view,

Allan



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Midwest redneck

12-01-2006 02:33:31




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 Re: Equipment Loans in reply to Youngfarmhand, 11-30-2006 18:23:20  
Listen to Tom in TN. Dont go in to debt.



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Tom in TN

11-30-2006 19:58:17




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 Re: Equipment Loans in reply to Youngfarmhand, 11-30-2006 18:23:20  
Young,

Here's an even better idea - don't get loans. If you're serious about wanting to farm, don't get married, don't have kids, don't buy a fancy truck, don't buy a bass boat, don't buy an arsenal of guns, don't drink up or smoke up your money. If possible, live at your parents' home as long as you can. Work off the farm in a cash paying job and save every penny you can.

There's a financial guy on the radio in Nashville who says, "Live today like nobody else, so that tomorrow you can live like nobody else." Stay out of debt. When you have the money, then start farming. Pay as you go and sleep well at night. You might have to rent a farm when you finally have enough money to start farming, but eventually you'll be able to buy land too.

At least that's my opinion.

Tom in TN

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davpal

12-01-2006 21:40:31




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 Re: Equipment Loans in reply to Tom in TN, 11-30-2006 19:58:17  
Welcome to the new millenium where debt is dumb, cash is king, and the paid off home mortgage replaces the BMW as status symbol of choice. Lets all cut up those credit cards and yell out "Im debt free"!! I am a big Dave Ramsey fan too. You could not force me to take out a loan on farm machinery. There is so much of it around to be had for bargain prices you can easily work to buy all you want and will probably buy more than you need like most of us on this board. I just went to our local Agco dealer and picked up a beautiful low hour IH model 55 trailer type 10 shank chisel plow. It is in great shape and looked like it had very low hours on it. I gave a whopping $750 dollars for it. It did need a new set of ag tires and a nice paint job and one hydraulic hose. I have a whole $1000 dollars invested and it looks just like new, will last me forever, does and awesome job and will till 10-12 inches deep. It does as good a job as a $20,000 dollar new one from Deere or Case Ih. Remember, we are just playing in the dirt, not launching rockets or building particle accelerators! The big cost is aquiring land. I could not afford good land so I bought wet ground with no tile because it was available and all I could afford. It was actually more than I can afford. Real good land is very expensive and families hold on to it for 100 years. Start small and work your way up gradually. Dont start big with a big hollow head and come crashing to earth like some of the big spenders out there.

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James2

11-30-2006 22:02:52




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 Re: Equipment Loans in reply to Tom in TN, 11-30-2006 19:58:17  
Great response. I heartedly agree, and would personally never consider borrowing money for used machinery. Better to buy something you can afford, and trade up as the money trickles in.



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low budget

11-30-2006 23:36:04




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 Re: Equipment Loans in reply to James2, 11-30-2006 22:02:52  
I agree also. Never borrowed money until I bought my farm (real estate) Had to put my cows and equipment up for collaterall then but had everything paid off in less than 11 years. Probably still pretty poor by alot of folks standards but I feel wealthy.



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robhkent

11-30-2006 18:46:32




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 Re: Equipment Loans in reply to Youngfarmhand, 11-30-2006 18:23:20  
First and most important question, do you have a relationship with your local banker? I watch people come in and out of our bank daily that I wouldn't loan $10 to. The loan officers know these people, and know (mostly) whether they will pay or not.

The sooner you establish a good relationship with a Good banker, the better your terms will be. All bankers also want all of your business, we want your loans, your checking account, and your savings account.

Current terms are going to vary from 6.5% to 12%-14% depending upon your credit, your job, all the usual stuff. The length of the loan depends upon what the equipment is, how old etc.. the up side is that many ag loans are set up on an annual or biannual basis.

Don't even think about going to one of the big chain banks, the big banks care very little for the small "starter" loans. Look for a local bank that has a stake in your communitty, they have an interest in whether or not you succeed.

Rob

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msb

11-30-2006 18:28:44




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 Re: Equipment Loans in reply to Youngfarmhand, 11-30-2006 18:23:20  
Stop in and talk to your Farm Credit Association loan officer.He can guide and direct you better than anyone.



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mjbrown

12-01-2006 04:09:26




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 Re: Equipment Loans in reply to msb, 11-30-2006 18:28:44  
Farm Credit advice may be OK but DON'T borrow their money! Their loans have a clause that says the loan may be "called" at any time for any reason, even if you are current on payments and they do it . I've seen them ruin good farmers who are current on their loan payments.



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