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Jon Holt

11-27-2006 20:26:44

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I am needing help on removing a tire from a rim off of the rear of an IH M. Does anyone have any tricks on how to get the bead broke loose? I have tried for an hour and have barely budged it. Thanks for all the help.

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Don Wadge

11-28-2006 17:08:47

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GOT 'ER OFF YET? in reply to Jon Holt, 11-27-2006 20:26:44

With all this help- should be easy. Good luck. Let us know how you make out. Every now and the you can get a tough one.

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135 Fan

11-28-2006 16:18:49

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Re: Tractor tire removal in reply to Jon Holt, 11-27-2006 20:26:44

Use a jack [hyd. or jackall] on the tire and lift on the hitch of another tractor or something heavy if you have it off. The tire shops say it's easier to do left on the tractor but I haven't seen what they use other than a duck bill tire hammer. I'm not sure lube helps much breaking the bead but I saw a guy at a tire shop mount huge skidder tires. He used murphy's tire soap. Same company that makes wood products, It's really thick like mashed potatoes and comes in a bucket. He took a few handfulls and spread it all over the rim and tire. He pushed the first bead on with the crane on his truck. It was easy. The second bead he used about a 6 foot long tire iron and got the rim in. Made it look easy. Took him about 15 minutes at the most and the tire was a 12 or 16 ply. He had 4 of them to do. Dave

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Aaron Ford

11-28-2006 12:19:52

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Re: Tractor tire removal in reply to Jon Holt, 11-27-2006 20:26:44

Not sure if ya have one, but I used a skidsteer bucket. Worked like a charm.

I have to second other post that said have someone else do it. Not that we all can afford that, but it would sure make it easy.

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Ray

11-28-2006 07:50:06

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Re: Tractor tire removal in reply to Jon Holt, 11-27-2006 20:26:44

I bought one of those bead cheata's,it works good,saves a lot of trouble.

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Don Wadge

11-28-2006 07:21:38

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Re: Tractor tire removal in reply to Jon Holt, 11-27-2006 20:26:44

That was intended to read a "3 foot" gooseneck.

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Don Wadge

11-28-2006 07:19:39

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Re: Tractor tire removal in reply to Jon Holt, 11-27-2006 20:26:44

I usually use about a 3" gooseneck wrecking bar. With the tire/rim laying flat I drive the straight end of the gooseneck into the bread until it is completely into the rim. Then I pull up on the bar (so as to drive the inside edge of the bead downward) and continue to drive the bar downward using a good sledge hammer. Driving the end of the bar into the bead acts a a wedge and will usually move the bead to some extent. You won"t see much movement at first but pull the bar out and do the same thing over about 2" then about 2" over the oposite way then move over another inch or two and back again etc., etc.. Once you notice some space after pulling out the bar you know you are getting there and just keep repeating the operation and expanding the distance from your starting point left and right. Once you have an area free of the bead you can usually puch the remainder of the bead down with your foot. The duckbill others have mentioned works on a simialr principle but if your not a dead eye (as I am not) with the duckbill this will be less frustrating.

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dhermesc

11-28-2006 05:48:55

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Re: Tractor tire removal in reply to Jon Holt, 11-27-2006 20:26:44

If the tire is no good a Sawzall makes everything a lot easier.

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Dave 2N

11-28-2006 05:38:09

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Re: Tractor tire removal in reply to Jon Holt, 11-27-2006 20:26:44

We use our Super C with "Touch Control." We lay the wheel on the ground and back up until the drawbar is over the tire right next to the bead/rim and set a piece of 4x4 there. Apply down pressure to the drawbar. It's worked every time for us. Just broke the bead on two 15.5's on the Super M. As near as we can figure, they were on the tractor for 20 years. Broke the beads on a pair of 13.6's that were on the JD A. This was a "neighboerhood" tractor so it was verified that the tires had been on for nearly 30 years. Anyway, that's the way we do it. Any IHC tractor with down pressure on the drawbar would work.

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Bob Da. (La)

11-28-2006 05:35:30

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Re: Tractor tire removal in reply to Jon Holt, 11-27-2006 20:26:44

A wood splitter works great also. Best to have one that works in vertical position. Sure saves a lot of sweat equity. Good luck and God Bless. Bob Da. (La)

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CNESLER

11-28-2006 04:48:24

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Re: Tractor tire removal in reply to Jon Holt, 11-27-2006 20:26:44

I wrap a chain around the tire through the rim
and use a handyman jack to break the bead.
You may have to move it a few inches and jack until it breaks loose
CNESLER

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sd pete

11-28-2006 05:15:27

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Re: Tractor tire removal in reply to CNESLER, 11-28-2006 04:48:24

Thats what i do too. Used it push off a 8 ply on a combine

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JiminIA

11-28-2006 04:45:34

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Re: Tractor tire removal in reply to Jon Holt, 11-27-2006 20:26:44

If you have a loader tractor put the edge of the bucket right up against the rim( make sure bucket is level or pointing up slightly so you don't cut the tire) apply down pressure and she ought to give up pretty easily. Done it many times when nothing else works. Easier if you have some one to gude you so you don't catch the rim. As others have said apply some soap or something to the bead ahead of time...Jim

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Allan In NE

11-28-2006 02:00:04

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Re: Tractor tire removal in reply to Jon Holt, 11-27-2006 20:26:44

Jon,

I always call the tire people to come out and do it because they have the tools it takes to handle the "hard cases". They will have it changed and be gone in 20 minutes.

However, if you're he!!-bent on doing it yourself, this always works:

Take the tire/rim loose from the tractor and throw the thing on the ground.

Drive over the tire with a front truck tire staying up close to the rim. When the bead lets go, flip the tire and rim over and do the other side.

Not your pickup, a truck.

Allan

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davpal

11-27-2006 22:11:37

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Re: Tractor tire removal in reply to Jon Holt, 11-27-2006 20:26:44

I put the tire under the heaviest item parked in the driveway and use a bottle jack right on the corner of the bead. If it lifts the back of your pickup it is pretty stuck. I usually put it under the heaviest tractor we have around at the time. It will usually push it off.

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Gerald J.

11-27-2006 21:44:01

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Re: Tractor tire removal in reply to Jon Holt, 11-27-2006 20:26:44

There are some manual bead breakers that do a decent job, and the tire shops will use an air over hydraulic bead breaker.

Getting an OLD gray hard tire off is a really difficult task. Its worth the price of admission to watch a tire shop do it. I've had four done and I won't try them myself. Broken fingers take too much pleasure of other things I use them for.

Its nearly always easier to handle the tire while the rim is on the tractor than with the rim on the ground. Partly that's because the tire can weigh more than 100 pounds and most of us haven't the muscle to pick up one side or the rim either to separate them.

Gerald J.

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cll.sk

11-27-2006 21:25:11

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Re: Tractor tire removal in reply to Jon Holt, 11-27-2006 20:26:44

Try driving large flat screwdrivers into the bead at an angle,then straighten them out & pry. Then you can maybe get a pry in there between the screwdriver. This took a while but it worked the one time I changed a rear tractor tire.

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KEB

11-27-2006 21:18:11

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Re: Tractor tire removal in reply to Jon Holt, 11-27-2006 20:26:44

Got a question myself, since I'm going to have to do the same thing before too much longer. Has anyone tried using an air chiesel with a wide flat blade? Obviously you'd want to round off the working end of the blade so it doesn't dig into the rim, but seems like it would work better than a tire iron & hammer.

Thoughts?

Thanks,

Keith

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Dandy Don

11-27-2006 21:12:26

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Re: Tractor tire removal in reply to Jon Holt, 11-27-2006 20:26:44

Jon, pour a little gasoline around the edge of the tire and wait about three minutes and start beating with the duck bill chisels or hammer and you'll be surprised how easy it breaks loose. Do both sides as you get to them. When you mount the other tire I use Pam or some cooking spray on the bead, works better than liquid soap. Have fun. Don

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steelfronts

11-27-2006 20:36:04

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Re: Tractor tire removal in reply to Jon Holt, 11-27-2006 20:26:44

Jon it isn't easy without the right tools but it can be done. If the rim is off the tractor and you have another tractor you can drivee up on it as close to the bead as you can a few times . Or get together some fat chisels and drive them between the rim and bead a few inches apart from eachother going all the way around a couple times. It may kill you but it will work.

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Jon Holt

11-27-2006 20:42:51

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Re: Tractor tire removal in reply to steelfronts, 11-27-2006 20:36:04

I have the duckbill hammer that I have gone around the bead with, but doesn't help much. I thought about using the tractor trick, but thought I would post on here as there might be some slick trick that someone has done before. Thanks for the info.

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iowa_tire_guy

11-28-2006 05:01:39

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Re: Tractor tire removal in reply to Jon Holt, 11-27-2006 20:42:51

I have noticed that most people use a duck bill hammer the wrong way when trying to bread a bead. The most effect is to use it as a wedge to push the bead away. Actually a duck bill hammer is made to be used as a wedge with a handle meaning that you are to position it and use another maul to drive it in. And if you are tempted to use gasoline or diesel you are committed to finishing the project because they will cause the rubber to swell up after a few minutes and then it is too tight to come off.

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old

11-27-2006 21:05:34

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Re: Tractor tire removal in reply to Jon Holt, 11-27-2006 20:42:51

Lots of soapy water and or oil. Oil will make the tire softer and if left on for a long time can hurt the rubber but it does help. Work an area about 3 foot wide back and forth. Takes practice but it has been done that way for decades.

Hobby farm

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RodInNS

11-27-2006 20:51:33

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Re: Tractor tire removal in reply to Jon Holt, 11-27-2006 20:42:51

Dunno. I've seen a few tough ones, and they all gave in to the tire maul. Keep the soapy water or skid to it, and keep working around the circumference with the hammer. Strike as close to the wheel as possible without hitting the wheel. That's about all I know on the subject. HTH.

Rod

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Rex in Australia

11-28-2006 01:47:33

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Re: Tractor tire removal in reply to RodInNS, 11-27-2006 20:51:33

It's no good just hitting it with a hammer. You have to get close to the rim and drive the bead down. That is where a bead breaker works best. A jack works well, but slow. Driving a heavy tractor up as close to the bead as possible will often shift them. Best thing I ever had was the backhoe!! Hydraulic pressure is great!
Take your time and work safely.

God Bless,
Rex

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Higgi1951

11-28-2006 10:43:51

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Re: Tractor tire removal in reply to Rex in Australia, 11-28-2006 01:47:33

Use another tractor and a 4x4 back into the bead of the M then push the tire and it will pop off
Just did that this week on a 460 !

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