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Corn seed recomendation

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Dave from MN

11-26-2006 17:15:27




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Any one have a good seed corn recomendation for sandy land, central MN. Has irrigation but that may be leaving due to cost disagreement. RR ok I guess, but I am wondering if having RR crops the last how many years I should maybe go with something else. I would like to avoid cultivation as this soil looses moisture enough already. Will probably be planting conventional with min tillage into bean stubble this year. Corn will be sold and possibly some for feed. No silage. Broad question but I am curious which types will be most recommended.

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Bill(Wis)

11-27-2006 16:30:12




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 Re: Corn seed recomendation in reply to Dave from MN, 11-26-2006 17:15:27  
I have a friend who farms high sandy land in north central Wis. He swears by Stine seeds. Says it stands up the best and produces consistently better yields than anything else he's tried. Stine seed company has a website.



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Bill(Wis)

11-27-2006 16:34:28




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 Re: Corn seed recomendation in reply to Bill(Wis), 11-27-2006 16:30:12  
I forgot to mention that, as other posts have also pointed out, that I plant Roundup Ready soybeans one year and follow up with BT but non-Roundup Ready corn the next. That way you can control volunteer corm in your soybeans.



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JMS/MN

11-27-2006 11:53:15




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 Re: Corn seed recomendation in reply to Dave from MN, 11-26-2006 17:15:27  
For a local source, check with Nietfeld Seed- 1-320-987-3442, near Greenwald. Plenty of 85-100 day varieties w/wo GMS.



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paul

11-26-2006 22:55:37




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 Re: Corn seed recomendation in reply to Dave from MN, 11-26-2006 17:15:27  
Liberty Link would be good to rotate with rr beans, as others say.

I don't know much about sandy soil - I have 5 acres of pure sand, the rest of my farm is a swamp with deep clay soils. So I am not much help.

Have you heard of Anderson Seeds near St. Peter? good local seed producer, good prices, their 4000 series of corn (I bought it back when it was 4000, now it's evolved to 4130 or some such...) is a really good standing top producer for me, I've put it against Mycrogen & Dekalb and they can't beat it on my land.

Pioneer is good corn, but likes to drop ears or lay flat in a wind. With our low lands, we only planted it once. Probably was top yeilder that year, but 1/4 of the ears were laying on the ground. never planted it again. In your sand, might work great.

How far north are you, looking at 105, 100, 95 day, or even less? Those 3 are the one's used around 'here'.

--->Paul

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Gerald J.

11-26-2006 21:01:12




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 Re: Corn seed recomendation in reply to Dave from MN, 11-26-2006 17:15:27  
That's a tough question to answer. I'm working on it for my corn next year. There are at least 2000 numbers to choose from, maybe more, maybe a lot more. Every seed company has a few hundred it seems like. Some may have only 100, some have more.

I'm unwilling to be in the field on an open tractor with any spray other than glyphosate so that limits my options.

At your latitude, you probably will be looking at 90 day or shorter summer variety, though you might ask neighbors what grows best there. You can call up seed salesmen from a number of companies and they will ALL have something to fit, even if it doesn't. They have product to sell. Its nice to have some independent plot data, if the fertility and fertilization of that plot and soil type and season match yours. Then you have to take the data with a bucket of salt because there are biases and variations everywhere.

Over on NewAgTalk, the concensus is that if you can keep Pioneer numbers standing, it yields good, but it tends lately to all fall down. Ok for feeding in the field but expensive otherwise. One of my neighbors (central Iowa) went with Dura Gro this year. Quite a bit of his fell down. There are lots of good yielding numbers that don't fall down. One theory though is that at the end of the season the plant sacrifices the lower stalk to finish up the ear and with a big ear that weakens the stalk to make it tumble with the least windy provocation. Which makes it most profitable to pick at high moisture.

Albert Lea Seed House has a selection of seed corn and while they wax poetic about yields their seed costs are generally reasonable.

I tend to think that seed bred and grown nearby may be more suited to my fields, I can't prove or disprove that. The huge seed companies won't agree, but the smaller ones are depending on that for customers.

As for corn in RR beans, I did RR corn last year, and notilled RR beans this year. I did have some corn stalks, but there was no corn in the combine or truck at harvest. Simply because I didn't plant much of the ears that were on the ground by notilling, and when they did come up it was mid June or later and thy were separated so they didn't polinate. I was out in the field last Wednesday, I found some stalks that had nubbin ears in shucks that missed getting cut by the combine. There were cobs in there but not one kernel had been pollinated. Others I've talked to say they've never had enough corn in their beans even with continuous RR crops to be docked at the elevator.

It takes longer to make RR resistant weeds if the RR applications are never short but are full strength so there's a good kill. My fields hadn't had any herbicides until two years ago since 1988, so all my weeds are virgin.

Curry seed has some interesting numbers, as does Ottlie. Curry is more up your way.

Then there are rootworm and borer traits...

Gerald J.

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Tex Aggie

11-26-2006 19:21:58




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 Re: Corn seed recomendation in reply to Dave from MN, 11-26-2006 17:15:27  
Pioneer sucks. Don"t plant it. They have been a good seed company in the past, but their genetics have been lacking behing over the last several years. Dekalb is hard to beat. You may want to try some Dyna-Gro (that is UAP"s brand). It has always been a good, consistent performer.



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bradk

11-26-2006 17:40:33




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 Re: Corn seed recomendation in reply to Dave from MN, 11-26-2006 17:15:27  
Dave,
I'm in SE MN,We tried Liberty link(Pioneer) corn this year and it did great.
The best thing is that in a rotation of Libety corn and RR soybeans,the weeds don't grow resistant.Sprayed once and had clean fields.~brad



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JMS/MN

11-26-2006 18:48:56




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 Re: Corn seed recomendation in reply to bradk, 11-26-2006 17:40:33  
That rotation also takes care of volunteer corn in the beans, since the RR will kill the Liberty corn lost in the previous harvest.



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