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davpal

11-22-2006 23:18:01

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I always go to TSC to get my hydraulic oil for my tractors and seems like I always end up paying about $32-35 dollars for the good premium stuff. I always thought that was about the going rate. I ended up having to go to wal-mart and getting some because of the being open late at night 24 hour thing. It was about $34 dollars, almost exactly like TSC so I thought that was about right. I happened to go into Auto Zone for something a couple of days later and they sell the 5 gallon pails of the premium Conoco brand I think, for $22 bucks! I would have never thought to ever buy it there. I guess we live and learn. I thought that was a pretty significant price difference. Pays to shop around better! Anybody got a place they know of that offers a better deal on that type of stuff? Thanks.

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Chris in MO

11-23-2006 19:32:52

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Re: Buying 5 Gallons of Hydraulic oil..... in reply to davpal, 11-22-2006 23:18:01

I am careful about the oil/fluids I put in my machines. If lower price oil will not cause problems, I will use it. However, I consider better quality lubricant to be well worth the investment.
I addition, most of my parts, automotive and tractor, I purchase at a local parts store. It is owned by a husband and wife team. Either one of them has forgotten more about vehicles than I ever knew. The prices are reasonable, but not the lowest by any means. What makes the difference is that I can ask any question about just about any vehicle and get a good answer. They can get me any parts I need, or give me a good idea of where I can go locally to get old tractor parts, etc.
There are other parts stores nearby with lower prices and of course walmart. However, I am glad to have a business like the one I described close to home and so I send as much of my parts, etc. money there as possible.
Support your local businesses. A very worthwhile investment.

Chris

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135 Fan

11-23-2006 08:50:57

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Re: Buying 5 Gallons of Hydraulic oil..... in reply to davpal, 11-22-2006 23:18:01

I was talking to a place that does oil samples and they said it pays to buy the more expensive oil from a reputable dealer. It has better additives and is API and manufacturer approved. They couldn't tell me the best oil for liability reasons. He did say oil from the big refineries like shell and esso etc. was better oil. Apparently because there is such a huge market in the US, a lot of oil is labeled as meeting specs. but isn't tested. I use MF fluid in my tractor but for straight hydraulic oil I use oil from Walmart. I use name brand oil for engine oil unless it's in an old beater that burns it anyway. Dave

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dr.sportster

11-23-2006 08:20:42

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Re: Buying 5 Gallons of Hydraulic oil..... in reply to davpal, 11-22-2006 23:18:01

This is not oil related but last week I sent my grandson to an Autozone like store called Pep Boys he came back with an el cheapo brand serpentine belt for 9.00.I explained nicely how he had failed on the mission.He also lost the receipt.I went to Mehle Bros.paid the twenty bucks for the Gates belt threw the junk one in the trunk.So the twenty dollar belt cost me 29 for him trying to save me money.

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MN Bob

11-23-2006 07:45:06

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Re: Buying 5 Gallons of Hydraulic oil..... in reply to davpal, 11-22-2006 23:18:01

My experience has been that by the time I shop around I wasted to much time and money doing it. I usually get my fluids from Cenex, I found that I can buy tractor batteries cheaper from John Deere than the Fleet store. My J/D dealer also will drop parts off at the farm no charge with in a couple days of my call and they are reasonable on most items, saves me time and fuel $. Bob

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markminks

11-23-2006 07:15:46

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Re: Buying 5 Gallons of Hydraulic oil..... in reply to davpal, 11-22-2006 23:18:01

Not to keep the bashing going but fellas lets get real!Autozone has cheap parts (cheaply made) federated has better quality with a moderate price. For thoise of you who think the got a better deal at sears than napa then try napa's "Evercraft" brand of tool. samer lifelong guarantee and priced better - both made in japan. Napa's pro series is just that made for the person who thinks he's a pro and is willing to pay for it. As far as hyd. oil - napa has a brand called "dutch gold" carried other places also and just like the other guy said "comes from the same spout and meets all requirements and labeling" only sells for about 25.00 per 5 gal. As far as idiots behind the counter - when did a parts person become a mechanic? And yes its true everyline of work (including weekend tractor repair has someone that doesn't know their job. Thats why we have a brain and a mouth so we can ask questions and discern the answer.

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Mike Van

11-23-2006 07:10:05

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Re: Buying 5 Gallons of Hydraulic oil..... in reply to davpal, 11-22-2006 23:18:01

Back in '68 i went to work at a local garage, Texaco gas. Havoline oil was 25 cents/qt. We also has Quaker State, their Deluxe was a dollar/qt. Some people asked for it. Myself, i never could see it was worth the extra $$. Since then, i've done thousands of tractor hours, hundreds of thousands of car & truck miles, i've always bought the cheapest oil i could, True Value, TSC, whatever. I've never blown an engine, transmission, never had to spend big money fixing one. Whatever works for you, do it -

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Oldmax

11-23-2006 05:28:58

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Re: Buying 5 Gallons of Hydraulic oil..... in reply to davpal, 11-22-2006 23:18:01

If you go buy a hyd sys oil filter at the dealer "New Holand" for a 1715 Ford/New Holand it will cost $34.95 the same filter at NAPA is $9.95 . Engine oil filter is less too . I ask the dealer how much a filter was , I told him he was too high that I could get same filter at NAPA for less . The same filter I have used for years at work in HYD power Packs with excelent results. He told me to go to napa & get it because they pay about $27.00 for them . Is like computer & printers they could give them to you at the prices they charge for parts .

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Sean Feeney 2

11-23-2006 04:39:40

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Re: Buying 5 Gallons of Hydraulic oil..... in reply to davpal, 11-22-2006 23:18:01

I went to napa a couple of weeks ago for a set of points and condenser for wood chipper (Ford 300)
napa had only the points $ 17 plus dollars. Auto zone had both in stock under $3.99-2.99.

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Tom in Central Pa

11-23-2006 06:42:48

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Re: Buying 5 Gallons of Hydraulic oil..... in reply to Sean Feeney 2, 11-23-2006 04:39:40

Check your parts, points set closely. I have found "cheap" points sets that didn"t have any bushing on the arm pivot pin, the arm was only on the pin. These points may stick open,and quickly wear the pivot. Some "cheap" points don"t have any lube wick. Some "better" points have the bushing, the lube wick, and a separate copper conductor from the points to the connector for the lead-in wire.
You get what you pay for, If you"re lucky.

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hay

11-23-2006 04:37:57

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Re: Buying 5 Gallons of Hydraulic oil..... in reply to davpal, 11-22-2006 23:18:01

i checked prices on hyd. oil at John Deere dealer and it was $49.00 for 5 gal pail. NAPA auto parts had hyd oil for $25.00 for 5 gal pail. both places told me it was the same fluid used in JD tractors. the specs on the bucket covered all major brands of tractors and backhoes and dozers. i have had NO trouble with either brand over the years so i guess the cheaper brand really does not matter. i do not want to pay for just a name. hyd oil, like other oils does not "go bad" sitting on the shelf. once refined and packages it should last forever. only thing that changes is the machine specs so different additives are used in later models.

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kyhayman

11-23-2006 04:24:50

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Re: Buying 5 Gallons of Hydraulic oil..... in reply to davpal, 11-22-2006 23:18:01

You hit on a good point, its important to check prices. I normally pay a little extra and get all my oils from my petroleum distributor. He tops my fuel tanks off every month and drops me a pail of Exxon hydraulic fluid and a case of engine oil when he does. Hydraulic fluid has been 29.99 a pail and engine oil 7.45 a gallon. I might be able to get it cheaper but thats a whole lot of convenience and service. I dont have to carry it (important since I use a cane). I normally use about 12 pails of hyd oil and 12 cases of engine oil a year so it balances out, to end up with a pretty good stock sometimes. Makes for easier tax management too, single bill each month, none of those random receipts from Sams House of Horrors.

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Hard Knocks

11-23-2006 04:23:54

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Re: Buying 5 Gallons of Hydraulic oil..... in reply to davpal, 11-22-2006 23:18:01

Cheap fluids are the most expensive in the long run.

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Travis

11-23-2006 06:01:42

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Re: Buying 5 Gallons of Hydraulic oil..... in reply to Hard Knocks, 11-23-2006 04:23:54

Unfortunately, it seems we are the minority here, but most people don't use their machinery as much or as hard as they use to it seems and they know that they can get by with cheap oil and the like. When it comes to my IH's, I use only Hy-tran from the CIH dealer, made by F.L. Viscocity Co. since 1961, yes it's higher but worth every penny to me--and yes I have seen the time cheaper oil doesn't work. Better to be safe than sorry in my opinion.

Travis

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James2

11-23-2006 09:39:52

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Re: Buying 5 Gallons of Hydraulic oil..... in reply to Travis, 11-23-2006 06:01:42

I do the same. The price of oil is cheap compared to the cost of a tractor or combine. So maybe my cost per acre is a couple of cents more than someone who buys at Walmart or TSC.

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Jim Johnson

11-23-2006 06:23:19

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Re: Buying 5 Gallons of Hydraulic oil..... in reply to Travis, 11-23-2006 06:01:42

You're the person they are looking for. Pay more for piece of mind.

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Jim Johnson

11-23-2006 05:52:21

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Re: Buying 5 Gallons of Hydraulic oil..... in reply to Hard Knocks, 11-23-2006 04:23:54

No it's not. It all comes on the same truck and put in buckets with different names on the bucket. I haul all types of oil . For instance when I haul 10/30 oil, on my bill of lading it says, for instance, HONDA, GM,or TOYOTA, all loads out of the same hose all goes in the same tank at delivery. Believe me guys it is all the same they just charge more or less depending on the name. JD or CASE IH, or none of them are in the oil business. It's the way they make you think that makes them MONEY.

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Hard Knocks

11-23-2006 09:49:55

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Re: Buying 5 Gallons of Hydraulic oil..... in reply to Jim Johnson, 11-23-2006 05:52:21

All hydraulic is not the same have even seen some really cheap stuff that had fibers in it. Color is different from one oil to another.Hydraulic oil is such a small fraction of the overall operating cost of a piece of equipment in my opinion its foolish to use anything but the best but if you want to buy and use the cheap stuff thats up to you.

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Jim Johnson

11-23-2006 11:50:30

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Re: Buying 5 Gallons of Hydraulic oil..... in reply to Hard Knocks, 11-23-2006 09:49:55

They love people like you. If it had fibers in it, it was contaminated and you should have taken it back. They would have done a search to find the guilty party. We take a sample of every compartment when loaded and the same when unloading and on down the line until put in buckets. It's MANDATORY. Oil, no matter whose it is, is checked extensively. There are mistakes made but it can be found. EXXON MOBIL makes all types of oil and it's sold to all different distributors under all different names but they are very strict when it comes to testing and checking. Their reputation depends on it. I know. We mixed two oils once that were almost identical and I had to pay to replace it. They guarantee the analysis to the tee. I guarantee you. I've been in this business for years.

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hayray

11-24-2006 05:48:43

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Re: Buying 5 Gallons of Hydraulic oil..... in reply to Jim Johnson, 11-23-2006 11:50:30

that good info. Jim. Do you know who packages Wal-mart oil

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Hard Knocks

11-23-2006 13:32:17

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Re: Buying 5 Gallons of Hydraulic oil..... in reply to Jim Johnson, 11-23-2006 11:50:30

You're a truck driver and say there is no difference my brother-in-law is a chemical engineer and says there is a difference I'll take his word for it. John Deere Hygard is $10/gal Sams is $7/gal average trans I fill is around 7gals by using sam's I'd be saving a whole
$21 by using Brand X fluid. Ain't worth the chance to me. Plus a lot of warranties are voided by using the Brand X stuff.

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buickanddeere

11-23-2006 14:35:51

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Re: Buying 5 Gallons of Hydraulic oil..... in reply to Hard Knocks, 11-23-2006 13:32:17

I agree. After working at Petro Canada. The same oil out of the same tank is not true. Each batch is blended for each specific customer to meet their particular specs. On occasion a batch will fall short of spec and GM, Toyota, Ford, Cat or who ever will not accept the oil. The phone calls start from the refinery to various customers who have lower specs and would purchase a load of discount oil. Funny thing is, all this oil was rated the same SJ spec on the containers. Any body ever heard tell of counterfeit money, bolts, filters and imagine maybe counterfeit oil. If you are purchasing your parts from Bargain Bubbas at the lowest price..... ..... . I'll purchase the bolts,lubes and filters at the equipment or vehicle dealer and be certain of the quality. If it's mineral oil. For synthetics which are superior in most applications. It's either Amsoil, Mobil 1, Shell Rottela, Royal Purple or Lubrication Engineers. The rest may say "synthetic" but they are a play on words and fine print.

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Jim Johnson

11-23-2006 20:27:22

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Re: Buying 5 Gallons of Hydraulic oil..... in reply to buickanddeere, 11-23-2006 14:35:51

Like I said you're what they are looking for. Go for it I need the business.

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RodInNS

11-24-2006 14:48:49

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Re: Buying 5 Gallons of Hydraulic oil..... in reply to Jim Johnson, 11-23-2006 20:27:22

Jim,

You can believe what you wish, but there are differences in the various tractor hydraulic oils available on the market. For my own part i use oil from Canadian Tire or Walmart. At this point in time it's a convenience thing because I don't have a dealer handy to buy oil from. The only bulk products dealer I have is selling Ultramar products, and I will not use their "fluid" in my tractors again. BT/DT, got the T-Shirt and the repair bills. That particular fluid does not meet the Ford NH 134D specs, although it is sold as being a universal tractor fluid. Both the Walmart and Canadian Tire TDH's meet that spec. So far as that goes, I still don't consider these oils to be fully equivelant to Esso Hydraul 56 or Nh lubricants. These oils do not cost half as much for no reason. I suspect, and have been told, that the additive packages are not as good... the way it was put to me is that they deplete quicker, so the oil doesn't have the service life of the more expensive oils. That doesn't concern me much as I don't push the service life anyway. I change it, or it changes itself....

For anyone that's interested to look, you can go to the FL Viscosity website and do some research on oils. A glaring example exists there in that FLViscosity offers 2 distinct product lines of hydraulic oils for both IH derived equipment, and another for Ford/Fiat heritage equipment. The HY-Tran and the NH Ambra 134 have different viscosities, along with some other differing properties. The 134 blend is a lot more common as it meets most Deere, Kubota, Massey and several other specs, but it does not meet the HY-Tran specs. Go look at that information and then tell me that all oils are the same.
There are examples where some are the same, as Ford/NH, for many years sourced their oil from Esso in Canada, and the 134D was certainly the same as Hydraul 56... but the detailed spec sheets will bear that out. The cost spread wasn't great between them either.
There's a reason why some oils are so much cheaper. It's got less of something in it. Although, to me, I will take a chance on some of these things if it performs correctly.

Rod

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Jim Johnson

11-25-2006 01:55:32

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Re: Buying 5 Gallons of Hydraulic oil..... in reply to RodInNS, 11-24-2006 14:48:49

I'm talking about the fact that we haul oil for EXXON MOBIL and it is all the same but packaged on all different names.I at no time said to just pick up any oil and use it, one should always check the spec's. Are you really that dense. Just absorb what you read when you read it. This is getting ridiculous.

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RodInNS

11-25-2006 14:51:27

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Re: Buying 5 Gallons of Hydraulic oil..... in reply to Jim Johnson, 11-25-2006 01:55:32

I must be dense. You are indeed implying that all oils are the same, whether you see it as such or not. I know damn well that there are only a few suppliers that produce this oil, and it's all hauled on the same trucks, and so on. However, I don't believe for a second that all the oil is the same. You might also notice that a lot of the oils that are sold today as tractor hydraulic oil have no specs whatsoever attached to them, and you've got to go digging and hound somebody to actually find out what you're buying. What has happened to me in the past is that I go looking for oil from another distributer, and give them the spec of what I need, and they cross it to their blend, and they tell me that it meets that spec. Most suppliers sell their fluid as being a UTF that will work, but it's not the same. At this point I want to see a detailed spec sheet first before I buy. The basic attitude of most of these suppliers is exactly the same as yours. It's all the same. It only costs them the sale.

As far as me being dense... Yes, and I've got a hide like an elephant, and the memory too. I don't particulairly need advice on how to read or absorb information.

Rod

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MF Poor

11-23-2006 02:59:59

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Re: Buying 5 Gallons of Hydraulic oil..... in reply to davpal, 11-22-2006 23:18:01

It's cheap at Auto Zone PROBABLY because it's been sitting on their shelves since gas was $.30 a gallon. They aren't exactly known to cater the tractor crowd. Most likely old stock. If it's like everything else that comes from Auto Zone, the handle will fall off the bucket while you're carrying it out. Never had much luck with their junk.

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Dannie

11-23-2006 02:42:35

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Re: Buying 5 Gallons of Hydraulic oil..... in reply to davpal, 11-22-2006 23:18:01

Auto Zone is cheap on batteries & plugs also.

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hay

11-23-2006 04:42:11

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Re: Buying 5 Gallons of Hydraulic oil..... in reply to Dannie, 11-23-2006 02:42:35

auto zone in my area don't even have tractor batteries for ford. they say that if it is not in their almighty computer, then the item does not exist as far as auto zone knows. all they hire are teeage kids that would rather joke and play than learn the parts business so i go to NAPA or the other local parts instead. bottom line: stay away from auto zone for tractor parts.

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hayray

11-23-2006 05:37:20

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Re: Buying 5 Gallons of Hydraulic oil..... in reply to hay, 11-23-2006 04:42:11

Auto Zone in Brighton, MI just got me a starter motor switch for my Allis C-A, I was real impressed, the guy spent 10 minutes going through his books of suppliers and matching up what I had and had the part the next day. Just depends which store you go to. They tried a NAPA store in Howell around here and it lasted a month, it was ran by complete incompetent idiots.

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Easy1

11-23-2006 07:02:35

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Re: Buying 5 Gallons of Hydraulic oil..... in reply to hayray, 11-23-2006 05:37:20

Yeah, they must have lost there azz in there. I needed a 3/4 drive socket - NAPA was like $75 !! I bought a Craftsman for $23. Everything looked like it was for a Nascar team, a humongus floor jack - $1300! I don't know who the were selling to, but it didn't last too long.

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hayray

11-24-2006 05:54:06

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Re: Buying 5 Gallons of Hydraulic oil..... in reply to Easy1, 11-23-2006 07:02:35

Yeah, it was managed by the same idot who used to work at Mechanics Auto, every time I went in there they always told me the part I wanted did not exsist

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hay

11-23-2006 05:52:46

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Re: Buying 5 Gallons of Hydraulic oil..... in reply to hayray, 11-23-2006 05:37:20

nowadays a person does not have to know diddly about anything. all they have to know is how to operate a computer. the computer does all the work and the idiot behind the counter just pulls (or directs the customer to where it is located) the part and probably has no idea what it is and does not care. learning is dead in america. the computer reigns king now.

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hayray

11-23-2006 02:28:11

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Re: Buying 5 Gallons of Hydraulic oil..... in reply to davpal, 11-22-2006 23:18:01

Thanks for that inf. I never thought Auto Zone could touch Wal-Mart, that is where I have been buying all of my oil, I beleive it is all packaged by Shell Rotella, I think I was paying about $27.00 a pail at my Wal-Mart, I was buying the high tech oil, not the shell, I think they are the same. All of Wal-marts oils are cheaper then me going to the tractor dealer and buying a 50 gallon drum. Next time I will check out Auto-Zone, we have one in my town.

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davpal

11-23-2006 10:25:18

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Re: Buying 5 Gallons of Hydraulic oil..... in reply to hayray, 11-23-2006 02:28:11

I buy a lot of that super tech oil at wal mart too. I am pretty big on getting stuff that is made in the USA now and all the labels on the super tech stuff say made in USA, no doubt from imported crude! It has all the additives that I am looking for and seems to be fine. I realize now that I am older that a lot that I learned from motor oil was from tv, ads in hot rod mags, or watching what dad used. Most of the time you are paying for a huge advertising campaign on the better known stuff, john forces castrol mustang, valvoline dragsters, thousands of tv commercials. When is the last time you saw a super tech commercial or drag or nascar team. Never! Just a really quality oil at a good price. That is what I want.

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