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Allan In NE

11-13-2006 13:18:06




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What size wire should I get to come from the main box into the house?

I have no idea what I'm doing.

Allan




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Handy2

11-14-2006 02:33:44




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 Re: Electrical in reply to Allan In NE, 11-13-2006 13:18:06  
I believe you.



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buickanddeere

11-13-2006 20:29:37




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 Hold everything for a minute Re: Electrical in reply to Allan In NE, 11-13-2006 13:18:06  
As everything is apart and being replaced. How about adding a proper standby generator transfer switch for nearly the same price as non transfer equipment.

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Allan In NE

11-14-2006 03:28:55




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 Re: Hold everything for a minute Re: Electrical in reply to buickanddeere, 11-13-2006 20:29:37  
Yes Sir,

Already have the double throw lying in the garage and waitin' fer me to get my act together on this wiring, trenchin', etc.

The power company is providing that part and I have to handle everything from that box outward. A new service is about the only time that they will stand the bill on the double throw, I'm told.

Thanks,

Allan



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Rauville

11-13-2006 15:53:55




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 Re: Electrical in reply to Allan In NE, 11-13-2006 13:18:06  
Regardless of code or advice, if you have pocket gophers (or other underground rodents) out there...use conduit. We have one building that has direct buried USE and twice a gopher has chewed through it.
Good Luck with another project!☺



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Turtle

11-13-2006 15:13:02




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 Re: Electrical in reply to Allan In NE, 11-13-2006 13:18:06  
If your only going 90 feet then you can get by with 2/0. As for the conduit I suggest you use 3 in. I know it cost a little more but the agrivation saved on pulling in the new will be worth it. I would stay away from the aluminum cable as any I install, I go back after a week or two and retorque, something that unless your in good with the power company or have a set of hot gloves you won't be able to do. I personally spend the money for the copper and save the peace of mind. Just my two cents worth. PS Check local codes for thier paticular requirements.

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jdemaris

11-13-2006 15:09:48




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 Re: Electrical in reply to Allan In NE, 11-13-2006 13:18:06  
As Catfish Stew already posted 4/0 aluminum or 2/0 copper USE cable is the proper ampacity and size for the 200 amp service. For above ground services - aluminum is all that is used by most power companies for home service connections here in New York (NY using National Code though). The only difference in your situation is the lowered ampacity due to the wires being buried instead of cooler free-air. But, since you're only going 90 feet - it is not an issue. And, you'll be below a 2% voltage drop even at 150 feet.

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Tim...Ok

11-13-2006 14:05:14




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 Re: Electrical in reply to Allan In NE, 11-13-2006 13:18:06  
I have no opinion on the size,think I used 1/0,but don't hold me to that..

just an idea though,check with your electric company,I can buy my wire from them for less than half the cost of goin out and buying it on my own..
HTH,
Tim



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LeRoy DeLong

11-13-2006 14:04:20




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 Re: Electrical in reply to Allan In NE, 11-13-2006 13:18:06  
Allen,
Check with your insurance agent before you run the aluminum wire. Here in Indiana, it is hard to get insurance if you have any aluminum wire involved.



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Craig in MO

11-13-2006 13:59:24




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 Re: Electrical in reply to Allan In NE, 11-13-2006 13:18:06  
Must have been 2/0 I used.


Here is a better link. see the COPPER FEEDERS

at the bottom of the page



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Catfish Stew

11-13-2006 13:55:57




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 Re: Electrical in reply to Allan In NE, 11-13-2006 13:18:06  
Hey Buddy,

4/0 AL or 2/0 cu is good for 200A in residential services.Aluminum is cheaper. Unless we're talking long distances, if it were mine, I would run "4/0 Aluminum Triplex Type USE" It is approved for direct burial (Underground Service Entrance) so no conduit is needed, but it won't hurt. The triplex means that the two "HOT" legs and the neutral are twisted together in one bundle. Be sure to drive a ground rod (or 2 depending on code) at both ends of the run. I'm a total stranger to you but hope that helps!!

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Allan In NE

11-13-2006 14:14:56




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 Re: Electrical in reply to Catfish Stew, 11-13-2006 13:55:57  
Okay, thanks,

My friend is on his way and I told him what you said. He is picking up the 200A box for the house and enough wire to wire the whole darned place.

Longest run is 90' from the service box outside.

Allan



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Catfish Stew

11-13-2006 14:07:15




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 Re: Electrical in reply to Catfish Stew, 11-13-2006 13:55:57  
One important thing I forgot, if you do decide to use AL get your self something reffered to as NOLOX. That is a brand name, but basically it is a compound you sand into the wire at every connection. Makes for a good connection, and prevents corrosion. It's not needed for copper.



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Craig in MO

11-13-2006 13:55:29




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 Re: Electrical in reply to Allan In NE, 11-13-2006 13:18:06  
I just did the same thing a year ago. I would never use anything but copper. That's just me. I believe that I used 2AWG and went 50' underground to my new box.

Try this link



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Tom R Ne

11-13-2006 13:27:53




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 Re: Electrical in reply to Allan In NE, 11-13-2006 13:18:06  
Are you talking about a situation where you have a meter Pole with a disconnect in the yard and need to run from that to the house?

If so are you going to have a aerial drop or underground feeders?

What Size Service Panel in the house 100Amp? 200 Amp?

Do you intend to use Aluminum or copper wire?

All of these factors will need to be considered when sizing the Conductors.



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Allan In NE

11-13-2006 13:32:45




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 Re: Electrical in reply to Tom R Ne, 11-13-2006 13:27:53  
Puttin' a 200 service in the house.

The electric company is coming to re-locate the service and it is up to me to trench the underground and wire from their meter to the house, barn and garage, where by the way, I wanna run my 220 welder.

I know how to wire the darned stuff, but don't know the lingo for wire size. Got a fella headed to Rapid City tonight and he says he'll pick up the conduit and wire, but needs to know the wire size required.

The aluminum is cheaper?

If this house burns down, I'm blaming you by the way. :>)

Thanks,

Allan

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Larry NE IL

11-13-2006 21:55:20




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 Re: Electrical in reply to Allan In NE, 11-13-2006 13:32:45  
Allan save yourself some headaches and run the same 2/0 or 4/0 wire to the barn/garage and install a panel in each building. You'll be blowing circut breakers all the time in the house if you don't.
Larry



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Allan In NE

11-14-2006 03:31:40




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 Re: Electrical in reply to Larry NE IL, 11-13-2006 21:55:20  
Oh Sure,

I know that much. :>)

Allan



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RodInNS

11-13-2006 14:02:54




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 Re: Electrical in reply to Allan In NE, 11-13-2006 13:32:45  
Allan,

Dunno the answer, but.... been looking into this a bit myself of late. In addition to the entrance size, you'll also want to know the distance you're going to cover. 500 feet will require a lot larger conductor than 100 feet. I'm guessing that with about 100 foot you might get away with something like a 1/0 awg triplex... but if you get up to 5 or 600 feet, then mabey you're looking at more like 3/0 awg triplex. I know on the farm here, the 14400 was run to within 50 feet of the main entrance, and then we break down the out buildings from there on triplex. I'd be willing to bet that the cheaper solution will be for you to have the power company bring their equipment as close as possible to your main load center. That damn USEI90 is expensive cable when you go pricing it.... HTH.

Rod

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Tom R Ne

11-13-2006 14:00:57




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 Re: Electrical in reply to Allan In NE, 11-13-2006 13:32:45  
The only place I will use aluminum in on an aerial service drop, and then I use a lot of the anti-oxidizing paste on the connections.

2/0 Copper or 4/0 Aluminum for a 200 amp service unless you have a very long run then you may have to go up a size to compensate for voltage drop.

Conduit size is based on % of fill and different types of wire have different wire thickness so after you pick the wire size, type, and you know the number wires you are going to use you select the conduit. Size from a table in the NEC code book.

Here are a couple of links you may want to look at.

Link

Link

you can download you home owners permit application and the electrical wiring handout from this last page.

Oh bye the bye I am not responsible if you burn down you house or poke your eye out. :>)

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IH2444

11-13-2006 13:59:31




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 Re: Electrical in reply to Allan In NE, 11-13-2006 13:32:45  
Just get one of the Tim the toolman electrical panels with built in fire supression.



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