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O/T- 1984 Chevy 6.2...........

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Capt. Minx

11-02-2006 11:38:29




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Can anyone tell me how to install a push button switch for the glow plugs? I think it will my cold weather starting. Thank you!




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Bob

11-02-2006 14:30:11




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 Re: O/T- 1984 Chevy 6.2........... in reply to Capt. Minx, 11-02-2006 11:38:29  
The manual thing is pretty easy to do, if you understand basic electrical systems. HOWEVER, DON'T try to manually control the older 9G or 11G glow plugs, as the first time the button is held too long, the glow plugs will burn out, swell up, making removal difficult and/or break off and get imbedded in the piston tops!

The glow plugs can draw as much as 120 Amps, so it's best to use a relay (solenoid), operated by the in-cab pushbutton.

The '82 and '83 (or thereabouts) systems had a discrete relay mounted on the fender, with one side of it's coil connected to "IGN" power, as long as the key was "ON". Simply running a wire from the solenoid's other small terminal to a pushbutton that would ground it when pressed would give you manual glow plug control.

Your's is likely the newer setup that combines the controller and solenoid in one unit, mounted in the center valley of the engine, near the rear of the LH cylinder head. To achieve manual control without HEAVY wiring into the cab, it's necessary to add a solenoid to that system.

That being said, it's EASY to update the system you have to a BETTER automatic system.

The guys at TheDieselPage.com came up with a "mod" to extend COLD glow time, for better starts, when 60G glow plugs are used. Lots of folks posting over there have done the "mods", with good results, and I have personally changed over close to a dozen of these old trucks, with GREAT results.

The 60G's and the extended glow time make cold starting MUCH better, without the need for a manual system, that is confusing if a friend or "significant other" needs to jump in the truck, and start it, without an operating lesson.

The system works just like the factory system, only better, retaining the dash-mounted "WAIT" light. Also, we eliminate the "glow plug inhibit" sensor, making the glow plugs made a short cycle, even when the engine is WARM. This makes for MUCH better warm starts, especially with high-miles engines, and LESS smoke at startup.

The 60G's tolerate this very well. The 1994 and up trucks with the glowplugs under the control of the PCM were set up to cycle the glowplugs in this manner, from the factory.

BOSCH makes a dual-coil glow plug, also, that is pretty much comparable to the 60G's.

Email me, if you'd like more information.

bigcoulee@hotmail.com

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Capt. Minx

11-02-2006 18:09:46




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 Re: O/T- 1984 Chevy 6.2........... in reply to Bob, 11-02-2006 14:30:11  
Actually, I have the one with the solenoid mounted on the left fender, which I take it is the older style?



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jdemaris

11-02-2006 18:17:56




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 Re: O/T- 1984 Chevy 6.2........... in reply to Capt. Minx, 11-02-2006 18:09:46  
By left you mean driver's side? I think the mounting varies anyway, depending if you have a Blazer, Van, Suburban, Truck, RV, Humvee, etc.
Main thing is - the old version has the controller screwed into the cylinder head down by the exhaust manifold - and it is a controller only. The relay is a stand-alone unit mounted elsewhere. After 85 or 86 - relay and controller is one unit and usually mounted on a water-port block-off plate on the driver's side cylinder head at the rear. Even the location for the inhibitor switch varieds - could be in one of three places - #1 the water cross-over manifold, #2 the pass-side rear cylinder head in a water-port block-off plate, or #3 screwed sideways into a cylinder head using the same port that the opposite head uses for the coolant gauge sensor.

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Capt. Minx

11-02-2006 18:49:48




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 Re: O/T- 1984 Chevy 6.2........... in reply to jdemaris, 11-02-2006 18:17:56  
I guess I should have said relay, not solenoid, and it is mounted on the drivers side fender. As for the rest, looks like I'll have to go take a closer look!



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jdemaris

11-02-2006 19:19:59




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 Re: O/T- 1984 Chevy 6.2........... in reply to Capt. Minx, 11-02-2006 18:49:48  
You can call a relay a solenoid and not be wrong. All depends on who's dictionary you're using. Mechanical language connotes a solenoid as a device that converts electrical energy into mechancial movement, whereas electronics language will tell you a solenoid is an electrical conductor wound like a helix. Either way, you're fine. Go to NAPA and ask for a solenoid and they will probably hand you a muffler.

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Allan In NE

11-02-2006 11:59:31




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 Re: O/T- 1984 Chevy 6.2........... in reply to Capt. Minx, 11-02-2006 11:38:29  
Yep,

Change the glow plugs to the 12 volt type and wire 'er up like a starter motor with a relay.

If you leave the original 6 volt plugs in it, you'll burn 'em up on the first application, 'cause they gotta be cylcled; hence the need for the controller.

12 V have the narrow spade, 6 V has the wide spade.

Allan



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Bob

11-02-2006 14:31:50




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 Re: O/T- 1984 Chevy 6.2........... in reply to Allan In NE, 11-02-2006 11:59:31  
Allan, the "spade width" thing isn't valid for the 6.2's. Early 5.7's had the WIDE tabs on the GP's.



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jdemaris

11-02-2006 12:47:42




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 Re: O/T- 1984 Chevy 6.2........... in reply to Allan In NE, 11-02-2006 11:59:31  
I don't know about the different spade widths - I've never come across it yet with the 6.2s. I had headaches with AC Delco and the insipid replies I'd get from their engineering deptartment. So, years ago - I contacted Beru in Germany and bought their plugs in their box. Ford has used them for years for the IH 6.9s and 7.3s and puts them in Motorcraft boxes. But now - AC Delco is also selling them and they hold up MUCH better than the older crap. That all said - maybe you've come across something I haven't? What make and part #? I know Beru is offering a quick-heat 2 second plug that I have no interest in. But, for automatic or manual cycling- the new 10.5 volt AC60Gs hold up fine and have built in current limiters. They have the exact same 1/4" wide X 1/2" long spade terminal as the old crap AC11Gs or AC9Gs that Delco used to push. I have to admit, I'm a little disgusted with AC Delco (old Delco Remy). They are an old company and used to be a great company. But lately? Some of their so-called "engineers" I've spoken with sound like they haven't graduated high-school yet. Here's photos of the new plug and the penultimate plug - along with my mispelling.

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Allan In NE

11-02-2006 14:56:20




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 Re: O/T- 1984 Chevy 6.2........... in reply to jdemaris, 11-02-2006 12:47:42  
Heck, I dunno.

I'd just screw in a set of 12v 7Gs, hook 'er to a relay and a push-button switch. Sure worked for me. :>(

Allan

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jdemaris

11-02-2006 11:49:31




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 Re: O/T- 1984 Chevy 6.2........... in reply to Capt. Minx, 11-02-2006 11:38:29  
84 is around the cut-off time when GM changed from the old system to the newer one. The old system has a separate relay and a separate controller - whereas the newer system the relay and controller are one unit. The old system has the relay on the fender-well. The new style controller is mounted on a coolant-block-off plate on the rear of the driver's side cylinder head. So, wiring a manual button can differ a bit. Basically though, you just want a momentary push-button, a relay (Ford type starter relay is fine), and a good power source that can handle 50 amps. keep in mind that if you have any glow-plugs that were actually made by Delco, or Champions, they will burn out and often blow up after 9 seconds of steady use. The newest Delcos - are much better since they are no longer made by Delco. They are reboxed German Berus like Ford uses in the IH engines, and have built-in current limiters. If you are having problems - check your glow-plug inhibitor sensor. It's easy to change and only cost around $13. Or better yet - bypass it.

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Bob

11-02-2006 14:06:25




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 Re: O/T- 1984 Chevy 6.2........... in reply to jdemaris, 11-02-2006 11:49:31  
With 60G glowplugs, the "glow plug inhibit switch" is NOT needed. Most of us that have made the updates wire around it. GM eliminated it in later production, anyway.



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jdemaris

11-02-2006 18:03:53




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 Re: O/T- 1984 Chevy 6.2........... in reply to Bob, 11-02-2006 14:06:25  
I don't know of a good reason why it was ever needed - in the GMs that is. Same switch does work well in my Isuzu diesels for the fast-idle circuit. All it does is prevent the plugs from working once the temp. is over 120F. But - it either HAS to work - or it needs to be bypassed/eliminated. Just about all the later diesels cycle (fast cycle) the plugs on and off at any temperature to keep emmissons down. That little fact just about drove me nuts when I first got my 94 F250 with the IDI 7.3 turbo-diesel. Every time I start it, warmed up or not, the voltmeter jumps all over the place but "cures" iself after about 30 seconds. Not being a Ford lover anyway - I was expecting some weird electrical problem that I could forever blame on Ford Mo. Co. That is, until I discovered it is the normal draw of the "afterstart" cycling glow-plug system making the needle jump. I knew the European deisels use the system - but hadn't known the newer US stuff does also. None of my 6.2 do, nor does my 85 F250 with the 6.9 diesel.

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