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Bill Okrasinski

11-02-2006 10:45:22




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Friends and Gentlemen: Does anyone know where I can find information about Buzzsaws that were run from tractor belt drives.
I have an arbor but that is all. The Babbitt bearings were removed and I'd like to know about speeds and horsepower required to run one. Thankyou
Bill




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GeorgeH

11-03-2006 07:37:24




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 Re: Buzz Saw in reply to Bill Okrasinski, 11-02-2006 10:45:22  
My dad had one back in the early 50's that he drove with a hit/miss engine. Sure don't remember much about RPM and such. We cut a lot of cord wood with it though.



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wdTom

11-02-2006 17:44:13




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 Re: Buzz Saw in reply to Bill Okrasinski, 11-02-2006 10:45:22  
I haveused one since about 1965 or so. I can tell you that what I say is what I have learned. The speed should not be too high. I would say not over 1000 rpm, maybe less. Less is better than more here. A good sharp blade with good set is important. Having the edge of the table close to the saw blade is important, build table and trim by running it by saw after it is on the saw rig. You want the wood you are cutting supported as close to the saw blade as is possible. Eight inch (round) logs are about as big as you want to cut, larger and you want to split them first. Make sure the belt will slip when ,not if, the saw blade gets stuck and stops. There is a company in up state New Youk I think that stillsells blades. We bought one several years ago,I think it was 32 or 34" in dia. and it might have been around $150. When sawing the most important thing is to have the log positioned so it won't move when being cut and jam up the saw. This and keeping fingers and other body parts out of the way are the two big ones to remember. The person picking should stand away from the blade and sort of pull the cut piece away as it falls, remembering that if they drop it to just let it go as making a quick grab may have them grabbing the saw. I haven't used a sliding table, just the swinging table which is more common, but I have heard that the sliding table rigs are nice, maybe the best. I have cut with a farmall cub and it works. Didn't havae a small enough drive pully to get the saw speed down and the engine speed up. This should be a two to one ratio so the engine can be run wide open or close to it and the saw at 8 to 900 rpm. A Allis Chalmers B is a good match, can just sort of fast idle along and get it done. Last 20 years or so we have been using a 4 cylinder Continental engine from an aircompressor to run the saw and a hydraulic splitter at the same time. I think it is 18 to 20 hp and runs along at about 2/3 to 3/4 throttle just fine while doing both jobs.

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Dave_Id

11-02-2006 16:12:37




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 Re: Buzz Saw in reply to Bill Okrasinski, 11-02-2006 10:45:22  
You can replace the babbit setup with bearings like mentioned, they are called pillow blocks, and can be purchased thru Northern Hydraulics, or MSC. I used this setup on the one I rebuilt. I never cut wood with it though. When I was young, I helped on a crew of about 10 guys in central Minnesota. The trees were relatively small diameter stuff, but they were full length. That was why you need so many guys. We ran it off a Farmall H.

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Bill Okrasinski

11-02-2006 17:11:23




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 Re: Buzz Saw in reply to Dave_Id, 11-02-2006 16:12:37  
Thanks. I really want to try to learn about the Babbitt R&R, I've heard that welding shops still have the bearing material. Any links that you know of regarding the use and construction of these saws would be helpfull.
Bill



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Janicholson

11-02-2006 14:51:17




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 Re: Buzz Saw in reply to Bill Okrasinski, 11-02-2006 10:45:22  
The saw was operated with a single flat belt from the belt pulley of a tractor. The driven pulley was often about 1/2 the diameter of the drive pulley. About 1300-2000RPM I would estimate. There are many tractors that can take a saw well. They require about 15hp or more to run with serious sawing of hard wood. The blades were often 24-30" diameter and basically dangerously unguarded. Google some pictures of saws to get the idea. Making a table, and swing system would not be hard. Mounting it on ball bearings would be the ticket. Guards and safety should be considered!!! The blade may cost more than the other parts conmbined. Good hunting, JimN

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Bill Okrasinski

11-02-2006 17:19:40




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 Re: Buzz Saw in reply to Janicholson, 11-02-2006 14:51:17  
Thanks for the information. What I really need is to talk to people who have one or know of the makers of them so I could get dimensions for the frame. I'm also considering attaching a driveline somehow to the pulley end since I only have a Ferguson with a PTO.
Bill



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Dave_Id

11-02-2006 17:29:12




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 Re: Buzz Saw in reply to Bill Okrasinski, 11-02-2006 17:19:40  
I know where you can get a pulley adapter for your pto. It used to be mine, but I gave it to a friend of mine. Email me dave@grussassoc.com and I can give you his contact info. It fits Fords and Fergusons.. also later Massey"s also have the same bolt pattern.



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Dave_Id

11-02-2006 19:20:11




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 Re: Buzz Saw in reply to Dave_Id, 11-02-2006 17:29:12  
Sorry, I meant davet@grussassoc.com I forgot the t.



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