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F250 non-powerstroke vs. newer gas engines.

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David McDan

11-01-2006 11:44:21




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Hi Guys,
I may be selling my 1992 F250 Diesel 7.3 liter IDI(non-turbo) (non-powerstroke) this fall and then in the spring purchasing a 1999 - 2000 Chevy K2500 with the GAS 5.7 or 6.0 vortec engine. It too would be a 3/4 ton.

I'm wondering how these 2 vehicles would compare to each other in HP, torque, etc. I think that the newer a newer gas truck may put out the same HP and torque as my 1992 F250 Deisel? I belive the F250 puts out 175 HP? Of course gear ratios make a difference, I would look for a 4.11 rear-end (like the F250).

I will use it to tow an empty trailer(3,000lbs) and also a loaded trailer which may weigh 11,000 lbs total. I only use it about 3,000 miles per year today.
ALso hauling in the bed of the truck up to 1200 lbs.
Thanks!

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Youngfarmhand

11-01-2006 17:07:48




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 Re: F250 non-powerstroke vs. newer gas engines. in reply to David McDan, 11-01-2006 11:44:21  
My 2000 2500 chevy has the 6.0 but also has a K&N kit, dual flowmasters, a tornado fuel saver and a hypertech tuner and is bullet proof. It"s never been dynoed or anything but with all the add on"s at minimum produces 340 horse. It"ll pull a case 75xt skid loader at 60mph on an equipment trailer just fine. At 157,000 miles it"s still going strong, for now.



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nickg

11-01-2006 14:13:41




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 Re: F250 non-powerstroke vs. newer gas engines. in reply to David McDan, 11-01-2006 11:44:21  
I am a little partial to fords myself. I have a 96 F-350 with a powerstoke. I pull a 20" gooseneck with a 4020 on it no problem. Im not going to set any land records but pulling power is awesome. Have you considered looking at a newer ford diesel? They are al ot quieter and barely smoke at all. I also have a 92 350 that has a460. It is a total gas hog and gets around 8mpg with my gooseneck were my diesel gets12. ive had problems with my gaser and my local ford dealer said its because I don"t drive it enough.

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David McDan

11-01-2006 12:03:19




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 Re: F250 non-powerstroke vs. newer gas engines. in reply to David McDan, 11-01-2006 11:44:21  
To summarize my question:

How will a gas 5.7 compare to a non-powerstroke 7.3liter. the 7.3 liter has 175HP.
I do NOT need a larger rig, just ot be equal becasue the diesel does just fine, I just want to get a gas truck and heard the 5.7 chevy 350's put in the 1999's, 2000's are equivalent.



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dhermesc

11-01-2006 12:34:53




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 Re: F250 non-powerstroke vs. newer gas engines. in reply to David McDan, 11-01-2006 12:03:19  
1991 F250 with a 7.3 180hp @ 3300 RPM Torque 345 @ 1400 RPM

2000 Chevy 2500 with 5.7 255hp @ 4600 RPM Torque 330 @ 2800 RPM

2001 Chevy 2500 with 6.0 300hp @ 4400 RPM Torque 370 @ 4000 RPM

Basically you lose some low end starting out power with the newer Chevy gas engines (check the RPMs for the peak torque) but once you're going down the road you can blow the doors off the Ford.

My brother drives a 1996 F250 with a Powerstoke and a 2005 Chevy 1500 with the smaller 5.3 engine, he's amazed by the power of the much smaller gas engine.

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RustyFarmall

11-01-2006 11:55:05




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 Re: F250 non-powerstroke vs. newer gas engines. in reply to David McDan, 11-01-2006 11:44:21  
From what I've heard about the 6.0, it will not perform as well as the 5.7, and the 6.0 came with its own set of issues. If you want to equal the performance and torque of the powerstroke, find a truck with the 8.1. I am very happy with mine. A 3/4 ton truck with the 4.11 gears will get about 10 to 12 mpg, sometimes better, makes no difference what engine is in it.



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135 Fan

11-01-2006 15:24:49




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 Re: F250 non-powerstroke vs. newer gas engines. in reply to RustyFarmall, 11-01-2006 11:55:05  
I have a 6 litre in a 2000 chev. 3/4 ton. I don't know what issues the 6.0 has but mileage has to be one. I've got friends with older 5.7's that get 20 mpg or more. The best I seem to get is around 16 mpg. Diesels should get way better mpg. You would think with all the latest technology and fuel injection that they should be able to produce something that has decent economy. Especially with the price of fuel these days. Dave

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varmint

11-01-2006 11:58:25




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 Re: F250 non-powerstroke vs. newer gas engines. in reply to RustyFarmall, 11-01-2006 11:55:05  
Swap in a 460



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Ken Macfarlane

11-01-2006 12:41:31




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 Re: F250 non-powerstroke vs. newer gas engines. in reply to varmint, 11-01-2006 11:58:25  
All the old non-powerstroke ford's I've driven have been dogs, the 6.9's and 7.3's. 175 hp maybe but no power and smokers on hills. Sure it will pull a load but for every day driving the Ford I6 motors would beat them off the line and up a hill.

The only truck my stock suzuki samurai used to be able to beat was my buddies 1989 F350 4x4 wtih 7.3 non-turbo.

Now when towing, that is another story but my other friends had chev 5.7's and his current is the 6L. He has a landscaping company and you can feel the 4000 lb trailer/tractor behind but will still climb hills fine with the od locked out. The two engines are pretty close.

When I tow his setup with the neigbours 4.6 L Ford it is noticable slower up hills but I don't hold up traffic, just makes the 4.6 spin pretty fast in 2nd gear.

The 4.6 L ford was also fairly loaded when towing our JD 336 baler up some 8% grades, I couldn't get much over 30 mph not that you'd want too. The baler is heavier than the truck I believe, maybe by 1000 lbs?

On the flip side, the 7.3 l ford will pull an 8000 lb haywagon load up the same hill at near the same speed but it doesn't seem to struggle at all.

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jdemaris

11-01-2006 12:55:57




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 Re: F250 non-powerstroke vs. newer gas engines. in reply to Ken Macfarlane, 11-01-2006 12:41:31  
I've got a 85 non-turbo IDI 6.9 which is kind of dog on power but it's a great running truck. But, I've also got a 94 IDI turbo 7.3 - NOT a Powerstroke - VIN code G, and it has all kinds of power - and does not "sit there and smoke" while pulling up hills. I'd take it over a Powestroke any day - mainly because most parts are much cheaper for it.



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Mike M

11-01-2006 13:00:22




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 Re: F250 non-powerstroke vs. newer gas engines. in reply to jdemaris, 11-01-2006 12:55:57  
Is there a diesel model you don't have ? Your insurance agent must LOVE you. BMV too. LOL Sounds like you have a fleet.



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Jdemaris

11-01-2006 15:21:58




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 Re: F250 non-powerstroke vs. newer gas engines. in reply to Mike M, 11-01-2006 13:00:22  
I guess we do have a fleet - probably because I'm metally ill - but it goes like this. We keep six vehicles on the road at any given time - those six change when winter comes and all salt starts getting used - so it's actually twelve on the road one time of the year or another - but only six at a time. In all though, I think we have around two-dozen cars and trucks that are in good running condition. And not running - around thirty - many are just future projects that will never get done - e.g. 65 SS Chevelle, 60 Corvair Briarwood, 1918 Ford Model T, 1920 Ford Model TT, two Model As, two Model AAs, 65 MGB, 49 Ford F1 truck with flathead 255? Merc V8, 69 Power Wagon, etc. Insurance is $100 per vehicle for six months - total annual insurance for six vehicles is $1200 per year. And "collector's vehicles are cheaper - basically a flat rate of $150 a year for any amount of cars (within reason). When I reigster my 240Z, 280ZX, or MGB I do it that way. Motor vehicle inspection is another cost - $12 per year for diesels and over $20 per year for gassers. I've also got three diesel plow trucks - but there is a little cheating going on with them - no registration fees and no insurance. Also got over a 100 tractors. For that reason - I think I'm glad I don't live somewhere that has a personal property tax.

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john_bud

11-01-2006 20:04:05




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 Re: F250 non-powerstroke vs. newer gas engines. in reply to Jdemaris, 11-01-2006 15:21:58  
I would not want to have to change oil on all of your vehicles! It's hard enough getting my paltry 50 or so gallons of used oil and hydraulic fluids to recycling every year.

jb



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ohio

11-01-2006 16:19:21




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 Re: F250 non-powerstroke vs. newer gas engines. in reply to Jdemaris, 11-01-2006 15:21:58  
holy cow, i thought i had alot of junk!



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