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city farmer

10-28-2006 06:28:18




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is the new desiel with the 15 ppm sulfer danaging to the engines in tractors and trucks without adding aditive to the fuel i have heard that it will ruin the ijectors and the pumps thanks for any help and info




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Leland

10-28-2006 21:45:35




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 Re: DESIEL in reply to city farmer, 10-28-2006 06:28:18  
Guy from FS claims on and off road fuel are the same 1 he just adds dye to ,so I will let someone else figure the mystery out .



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Oldmax

10-28-2006 18:08:45




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 Re: DESIEL in reply to city farmer, 10-28-2006 06:28:18  
I guess some of us will have to go to #1 fuel My tractor Manufacture recomends when Temp. is below 20 Deg.



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MN Scott

10-28-2006 11:00:57




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 Re: DESIEL in reply to city farmer, 10-28-2006 06:28:18  
The ULS diesel is supposed to contain a certain mandated lubrisity [sp] level so it will work in the older engines with out trouble. But we have been told things like that before by goverment and it has proven not true. In MN we have had 10% ethanol blend forced on us, it was supposed to be fine for older engines, NOT!! In the 8 years or so we've had it I have had to replace the accelrater pump diaphrams on my Holley carbs on my grain trucks yearlly. The float in my 78 Chevy pickup swells and sticks requiring yearlly replacement to. My chainsaws, even the new ones require carb kits and fuel lines semi annually. My four wheeler, snowmobile and other small engines all suffer from what I call jelley fuel line syndrome to. Fuel lines and carb parts turn to jelly like mush. I never had these problems before the 10% mandate. Now they want to increase it to 20%! I guess they expect every one to junk their older gas engines and buy new diesel trucks. Must be in cohots with the big three auto makers. Oil companys should love ethanol, as it takes more oil to produce a gallon of ethanol than to just burn the oil. If it was not for goverment mandated use and subsidies ethanol would not be competitive and would fade away.

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JT

10-28-2006 07:26:45




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 Re: Diesel in reply to city farmer, 10-28-2006 06:28:18  
I get two diesel truck magazazines, and like Michael, I am not fuel expert, but all the articles in these mags say the ULS fuel will not harm older diesel engines. If you are running tractors, you should be using off road diesel fuel, and it has a higher sulfer content, so it should not have a lot of effect on tractors. Even though everyone says it will not affect them, I am still concerned about this fuel. I also have read, it is like when gasahol came on the market, thet say to carry extra fuel filters as it can clean the tank and clog fuel filters.

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Don-Wi

10-28-2006 23:49:44




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 Re: Diesel in reply to JT, 10-28-2006 07:26:45  
I don't think there really is any high sulfur fuel being made any more, atleast not in this area. It's all the same, just dyed later on for tax purposes.

Donovan from Wisconsin



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Michael Soldan

10-28-2006 06:49:20




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 Re: DESIEL in reply to city farmer, 10-28-2006 06:28:18  
City Farmer, I am no expert on fuels, however I have read some recent posts here on this line. One concern is the pump and seals in a diesel's system. New fuel may not lube the pump and keep the seals in proper condition. It was suggested that adding a quart of oil to the diesel fuel in the tractor will help. I do this anyway, often adding a quart of oil or a quart of Automatic Transmission Fluid. I use a fuel product to clean injectors which is also supposed to lube the pump. I have not had any problems and my fuel has changed with the market conditions, am not expecting any problems. Good luck and I'm sure others will add a great deal to this topic...Mike in Exeter Ontario

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jdemaris

10-28-2006 06:44:47




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 Re: DESIEL in reply to city farmer, 10-28-2006 06:28:18  
According to some of the injection pump companies - yes it can damage them - or at least cause premature wear. That is especially true with rotary distributor-type pumps e.g. Roosamaster/Stanadyne, CAV,American Bosch, Bosch VE,etc. With in-line and/or plunger pumps, it is not as much an issue. For example, Stanadyne recommends with older standard pumps - to use added lubricant in the fuel - or - install the optional harder (Artic Package) parts inside the pump. Adding the special hardened parts is VERY expensive. Adding a little lube to your fuel is not. Generally speaking - the new fuel is supposed to be okay with newer equipment.

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