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O/T The reason Michigan's economy is bad!

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Turke Bros. Far

10-27-2006 05:49:12




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I was in one of the metro area suburbs giving a price for a watermain, and domestic water supply in a stripmall. The proposed tennant was a chineese restraunt. It was a 6in watermain about 100ft long, nothing special. At the street ran a 16in watermain, that we were planning on tapping. This was all fine and kind of routine like, that was until i saw the permit fees. The city owned the watermain, the county maintained the watermain. The building required 8 units of water, at the city cost of $8,400. That included an "inspection fee", the county wanted an additional $22,400.00 for the 8 units. Now we are at almost $31,000. before any pipe is put in or men or asphalt is replaced. I think this will scare off the tennant, SAD, and SICK!

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1936

10-27-2006 16:16:59




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 Re: O/T The reason Michigan's economy is bad! in reply to Turke Bros. Farms, 10-27-2006 05:49:12  
What comes to mind with me is the lead in the air in your area of discussion. A large group which I was one was working beside a good size highway in Wayne county North of the airport and a drive by shooting happened and one took a hit in the leg. Nothing serious only an operation resulted. Not from the area and will not be back.



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Oldmax

10-27-2006 10:21:03




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 Re: O/T The reason Michigan's economy is bad! in reply to Turke Bros. Farms, 10-27-2006 05:49:12  
I made Hot taps on water lines for 30 years the most we got for a 6" tap was about $350 + Travel time $65 hour Average tap about $500 . if we sold Valve & sleeve to make tap . some contractors that hired us would charge $4,ooo to $5,000 for one Hot tap . Then wanted us to make for nothing .



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Midwest redneck

10-27-2006 09:18:06




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 Re: O/T The reason Michigan's economy is bad! in reply to Turke Bros. Farms, 10-27-2006 05:49:12  
And the water main is part of the reason the Michigan economy is bad. Companies are leaving this state at a horrible rate. 3 of my former employers are in Ohio, South Carolina and Illinois.



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jmixigo

10-27-2006 08:10:21




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 Re: O/T The reason Michigan's economy is bad! in reply to Turke Bros. Farms, 10-27-2006 05:49:12  
Dad Gum! I thought the Huguly, Al Water Authority was expensive. For my barn they insisted on my having a seperate service. They tapped the main, ran a 2" line to the meter, provided the meter, box, and a shut off valve on my side of the meter- $350.00. My water bill at the house and barn both are minimum every month $22.50 each.
Now I don't have nothing to complain about.



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Dave H (MI)

10-27-2006 07:09:38




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 Re: O/T The reason Michigan's economy is bad! in reply to Turke Bros. Farms, 10-27-2006 05:49:12  
I assume you are talking about a suburb of Detroit but you did not say. "Metro area" was my clue. On a spec home I put in around 5 years ago in another metro area suburb, I paid $135K total to build the house. It cost me almost $20 to install the sewer line to the road only 60 short feet away. Township approved contractor and a sewage grinder I had to buy from them. If I had elected city water it would have been another $8K.
The house has a nice well.

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dhermesc

10-27-2006 06:45:35




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 Re: O/T The reason Michigan's economy is bad! in reply to Turke Bros. Farms, 10-27-2006 05:49:12  
Doesn't sound that bad to me. $31,000 to for a 6" line that going for a high use area. I paid $5,000 for the rights to tap a 1' inch line for a house in rural Kansas (can't be used for livestock). Then I paid to actually tap the line and run it to the house. If I want more water I have to pay to replace 2 miles of 4" line with 6" line. The cows get moved when the creek runs dry.



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Billy NY

10-27-2006 06:28:02




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 Re: O/T The reason Michigan's economy is bad! in reply to Turke Bros. Farms, 10-27-2006 05:49:12  
That is unreal, kind of out of proportion, now wouldn't you just love to see the "back-up" behind those numbers, I would inist upon that information, it's public information. I would want to see what exactly substantiates those fees and why it's justified, is there some legitimate reason making it so, or is there some fluff or padding in there.

I've done miles of ductile iron watermain, quite a bit as an equipment operator, but later on in my career, bought out the work through contractors,as a project manager on the numerous building projects I've worked on, most of which were in NYC and I don't recall there being such high costs to make a connection, although you were running 1000' here, sure sounds high.

Scale it back a bit, the town had a main put in 100 yards to one side of the state road, so only that side can get a lateral, we have no access on our side, ( real smart right? )neighbor wanted to upgrade from the well and make a connection, for a 3/4" or 1" line to connect at the curb stop which was installed when the main was put in. I had a cat 420 hoe for about 6 weeks and said to my neighbor, now is the time if you want to do it, measured it out, copper ( only thing that is allowed ) for 200 feet was $1000 or so from the supply house, meter from the town was $200, misc. supplies, fuel, bedding sand,forget what the total was, but it was over $2000 at a price I would call bare cost, hoe was a given, -fuel ( savings there ! ) a contractor would tack on another $2000-$3000 easily, he's retired, money is tight, so I think even at cost he could not afford it, we tried a few different things to see if we could help, ( good friends with his son ) no go, it's only going to go up the longer you wait which is not good, and even at cost things are expensive. I laugh, what good is the main, if people can't afford to make the connection ?

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Easy1

10-27-2006 06:23:44




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 Re: O/T The reason Michigan's economy is bad! in reply to Turke Bros. Farms, 10-27-2006 05:49:12  
One thing that has always escaped me was the outcry every time the city of Detroit upped the water fees. Yeah they go up. But with the suburbs reselling the water to thier residents at markups of 400% + , who is goughing? Most of these burbs have got all kinds of fees for any kind of construction. Even out in my area, a single new house probably cost $5,000 in permits. But if you are a developer building a new shopping center, you get all kinds of tax breaks. Adding onto existing construction doesn't qualify for bennies. So uless ya got BIG BUCKS! go elsewhere.

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captn Koik

10-27-2006 06:11:21




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 Re: O/T The reason Michigan's economy is bad! in reply to Turke Bros. Farms, 10-27-2006 05:49:12  
It is all caused by the mind control rays being beamed from Andromeda.



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Triplerange

10-27-2006 06:00:29




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 Re: O/T The reason Michigan's economy is bad! in reply to Turke Bros. Farms, 10-27-2006 05:49:12  
Those cost are pretty outragious. I think the tap fee here is around 2,500.



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hay

10-27-2006 05:57:17




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 Re: O/T The reason Michigan's economy is bad! in reply to Turke Bros. Farms, 10-27-2006 05:49:12  
the business of america is business. money talks and bulls**t walks!



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RLH

10-27-2006 05:56:11




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 Re: O/T The reason Michigan's economy is bad! in reply to Turke Bros. Farms, 10-27-2006 05:49:12  
NAFTA / ilegal mexicans is killing us



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B-maniac

10-27-2006 19:29:59




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 Re: O/T The reason Michigan's economy is bad! in reply to RLH, 10-27-2006 05:56:11  
Our "free" country has become so expensive it is going broke and the foreigners will be right here to buy it up at pennies on the dollar! There will be no war, they will "BUY" us.



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