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Reason for my electronics 101 question

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MMB

10-26-2006 06:36:24




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Well, the question relating to the "heat" in the resistor was merely a result of following up a discussion that I had with a friend of mine. The responses were great and I think I understood most of them so thanks for all of those.

Meanwhile, here's where it all started. I am replacing the resistor in a 3-position generator control/light switch on a 1940's tractor. The old open (uncovered) wound-wire resistor was burned out like many of them are. I picked up a 3.3 ohm ceramic resistor (with a 10 watt rating) from an electronics supply house to wire into the switch. The original resistors were "about" 3 ohms on most of those switches for a 6 volt system. I don't know the watt rating for those original resistors. I am wondering just how hot that resistor will get when I wire it into the switch. I can't check it out right now since a running tractor all hooked up and operating won't happen for a while yet, but I am getting stuff ready and prepared.

This ceramic brick resistor is about 1/4" square and about 2" long if that means anything, and i assume is a wire-wound type inside the ceramic brick.

Any idea as to whether this resistor will do the trick without exploding or vaporizing? The system is a 6 Volt system and the resistor circuit grounds the generator's field circuit which a manual says puts out about 3.8 - 4 amps but maybe that is meaningless and is determined by ohms law or something. Once again, your help is appreciated.

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KEB

10-26-2006 19:00:29




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 Re: Reason for my electronics 101 question in reply to John T, 10-26-2006 11:27:32  
John, have you looked at one of those resistors? They're not very big, & would get really hot if they dissipated much power. Look at one in voltage regulator...not only is it a rather physically thin wire wound resistor, but it's typically mounted under the regulator, where it gets no air circulation whatsoever. I would think it would be cooking the regulator if it had to dissipate much energy.

The real solution here is to measure the current through the field winding, or at least measure the resistance of a field winding & estimate the current. I'd walk out to the shop and measure one, but we had a foot or so of snow here today & I don't feel like getting all bundled up.

Someone post measurements, OK. Otherwise, I'll check the next time I get out that way.

Thanks,

Keith

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KEB

10-26-2006 08:57:01




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 Re: Reason for my electronics 101 question in reply to MMB, 10-26-2006 06:36:24  
Hi, while Bob's calculations are correct, assuming the full 6 volts is applied to the field resistor is not. With the resistor in the circuit, the field winding and the external resistor are in series. Assuming 4 amps at 7 volts (roughly the charging voltage) with the field grounded, the resistance of the field winding is about 1.75 ohms. Putting that in series with the 3.3 ohm external resistor gives a field resistance of a little over 5 ohms.

At 7 volts and 5 ohms, the current through the series combination of the external resistor and the field winding is about 1.4 amps. 1.4 amps squared x 3.3 ohms gives about 6.5 watts being dissipated in the series resistor.

6.5 watts is pretty consistent with the size of the orignal wire wound resistor. A 10 watt resistor can't dissipate the full 10 watts inside the switch housing (they're rated in free air at a particular temperature) without overheating, but should be able to dissipate 6 or 7 watts just fine.

I'd go ahead and use the 10 watt resistor. If you're concnered, go to a slightly higher value, say 5 ohms. Under these same conditions, the current through the resistor would be a shade over an amp, and the resistor would dissipate about 5 watts. Since the output of the generator is directly proportional to the current through the field winding, the output current from the generator would be reduced by about 40% compared to a 3.3 ohm resistor, but should still maintain the battery without any problems.

Keith
(Electrical Engineer, 30+ years experience)

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Bob

10-26-2006 07:25:38




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 Re: Reason for my electronics 101 question in reply to MMB, 10-26-2006 06:36:24  
The field current of 3.8 Amps to 4 Amps would be at the generator's MAXIMUM output. For MAX output, the resistor is switched OUT of the field circuit by the light switch.

With the resistor IN the circuit, at the generator's low output, likely the field current will be only a couple of Amps.

Watts = I2 X R.

2 Amps squared = 4 X the resistance of 3.3 Ohms = a power dissipation of 13.2 Watts.

Even at a field current of only 1.5 Amps, the resistor would have to dissipate nearly 7.5 Watts.

Even that would likely be too much for all-day sustained operation, with the resistor in the enclosed switchbox.

Better go back to the electronics supply and get a 20 or 25 Watt unit.

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