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PhilcaseinWPa

10-26-2006 05:39:10




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The earlier post got me to thinking which can get me into trouble. Many moons ago when I had a physics course I remember studying electricity and trying to under stand ohms, watts, volts etc. Somewhere in my reading I came accross an analogy comparing electricity flowing through a wire to water flowing through a pipe. Something was analagous to the pressure, something to gal/min, pipe size to wire guage, and so on. Do any of you know what this analogy was or if it is at all accurate? I've looked a few times in some old books I still have but can't find it. Maybe it's just an old age brain short circuit and I just imagine I saw this somewhere.
Phil

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PhilcaseinWPa

10-26-2006 12:45:46




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 Re: OT another electric / electronics question in reply to PhilcaseinWPa, 10-26-2006 05:39:10  
Thanks for all the replies. I knew there were smart people on this board.
Phil



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KEB

10-26-2006 09:12:42




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 Re: OT another electric / electronics question in reply to PhilcaseinWPa, 10-26-2006 05:39:10  
Actually, a better analogy is a closed loop hydraulic system, since electricity only flows in loops.

Voltage => hydraulic pressure
Current => flow rate
Power => rate at which work can be done, proportional to both pressure and flow

Both inductors and capacitors store energy.

The hydraulic analog of a capacitor is an accumulator, i.e., in an accumulator, energy is stored in the form a hydraulic fluid held under pressure in the accumulator. In a capacitor, energy is stored in the form of electrons held at some electrical pressure (voltage).

I've never seen a real good mechanical analogy to an inductor. Energy stored in an inductor is sort of analogous to the kinetic energy stored by a moving fluid. A water hammer in plumbing is an example of this. When I close the valve, the kinetic energy stored in the moving water within the pipe (the inertia of the moving fluid) causes a surge in pressure, resulting in a knock. In an inductor, you get a voltage pulse when the current flow is interrupted. The major difference is that in an inductor energy is stored in a magnetic field, rather than kinetic energy as in a moving fluid.

Hope this helps,

Keith

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jdemaris

10-26-2006 13:16:49




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 Re: OT another electric / electronics question in reply to KEB, 10-26-2006 09:12:42  
In reference to your comment:
"a better analogy is a closed loop hydraulic system, since electricity only flows in loops"

The same can be said for water in most cases (on a large scale). Just about all water systems, one way or another - depend on the closed-loop and water being returned to the system. If not, life would cease to exist on this planet. On a smaller scale - in dry areas - e.g. Austraila outback, some people have regenerative systems and get their drinking water from their septic systems. Doesn't sound very appealing.

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souNdguy

10-26-2006 06:04:40




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 Re: OT another electric / electronics question in reply to PhilcaseinWPa, 10-26-2006 05:39:10  
Think of the voltage as pressure ( potential or electromotive force ).. the current would be akin to the throughput or gpm,.. etc.

Power (watts ) is a function of the votlage and the current. You can generate similar power using a higher supply voltage, and a lower operating current, and smaller wire, as compaired to using lower supply voltage, higher current, and heavier wire.

Take for example tractor electrical systems.

6v battery, 35w lamp, 5.83 amps

12v battery, 55w lamp, 4.58 amps

or stated in a comparison way

12v battery, 35w lamp, 2,91 amps

thus you could generate the same 35w worth of incandescent light using less than 3 amps on 12v, as you could using nearly 6 amps at 6v. thus menaing you could use a smaller wire diameter to run the 12v accessories. in factr.. that was a prime reason to move to 12v... it saves on copper..

Soundguy

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Sam#3

10-26-2006 06:03:38




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 Re: OT another electric / electronics question in reply to PhilcaseinWPa, 10-26-2006 05:39:10  
I don't remember having ever seen it written in a formal sense but it's been around since I began my electronics study close to fifty years ago.
The electromotive force is the pump, the pipe is the resistance, and the water is the current flow. At one time electron tubes were referred to as valves because they controlled current flow. However, I've never seen it used in the explanation of capacitance or inductance.
It takes a bit of journalistic license but it sometimes helps to actually 'see' something work.

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jdemaris

10-26-2006 06:03:32




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 Re: OT another electric / electronics question in reply to PhilcaseinWPa, 10-26-2006 05:39:10  
From a very general viewpoint the analogy is - Electricity flow - i.e. amperes is compared to water-flow - i.e. gallons per minute. Voltage - measured in volts is compared to water pressure measured in PSI. Ohms is a measure of resistance to flow - as compared to water-pipe ID size or other restrictions. Watts is volts multiplied time amps - similar to the advertised water output of a system when listed as X amount of pressure at X pressure.

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