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Military refurbing their tractors

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NC Wayne

10-19-2006 21:31:13




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Last year a local dealership took in a couple of older Grove rough terrain cranes for the military and completely refurbished them, basically making new machines out of them. From what they told us the couple they took in were just a small part of the total number of machines that were being done by the various Grove dealerships throughout the US. Now this evening I read an article in Diesel Progress saying that Case is taking in more than 200 rough terrain forklifts, in a three year 15.5 million dollar contract, to do the same thing to. I know often what the military does doesn't make alot of sense but in this case they have discovered something that most of us field mechanics have known for years... that the new electronics being used in equipment simply aren't reliable. True their having them redone for a slightly more focused reason, namely that the old mechanical systems aren't effected by an EMP which would fry the electronics in "modern" equipment. In the end it all comes down to the military is doing something smart for a change by actually "repairing" good, used equipment instead of throwing it away and replacing it with a new stuff that won't last half as long as the old one already has. I can't remember exactly but I believe the Groves that were redone were late 70's, early 80'd vintage and the article states the Case lifts are 80's vintage making them all, on average, 25 years old plus. Most new equipment, based on talking to various salesmen, the shop guys, etc, is only being build with an estimated lifespan of 10 years. Ten years for a new machine or another 25 plus for a refurbed older one...to me that's a no brainer. I just can't understand anyone that buys brand new equipment then complains when the electronics go haywire and cost an arm and a leg to repair, then turn right around and buy another new one instead of spending half the cost to refurb an old one that anyone can work on with simeple hand tools. I guess having all the creature comforts and the operator not having to use common sense to run the machine because it runs itself has it's perks but in the end the old stuff is always gonna come out ahead in the reliability department...as long at it's properly maintained.... As much waste and plain out stupid stuff as I saw in my 6 years in the Navy, it's nice to know at least part of the military is doing something smart for a change.

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dhermesc

10-20-2006 10:00:21




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 Re: Military refurbing their tractors in reply to NC Wayne, 10-19-2006 21:31:13  
Every bought a used peice of military equipment?

I haven't because when the military is done with it they've gotten every bit of use out of it that can be had. This policy of rebuilding equipment is nothing new and has ben going on since the army started selling off their mules.



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Hard Knocks

10-20-2006 14:12:08




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 Re: Military refurbing their tractors in reply to dhermesc, 10-20-2006 10:00:21  
I bought an engine a few years ago that was military surplus brand new in the crate never used.Apparently it was a spare for some outdated piece of equipment.



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Rick (IA)

10-20-2006 12:28:39




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 Re: Military refurbing their tractors in reply to dhermesc, 10-20-2006 10:00:21  
Back in '87 I took a job as CFO/IT director at the local hospital. Went out with the chairman of the board one day to look at our emergency generators and discovered a tag on one that indicated it had come from the very same base in Japan where I did my final tour in '72. The base was closed and I guess the generator and I came back to Iowa about the same time. Small world sometimes....



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buickanddeere

10-20-2006 08:00:37




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 Re: Military refurbing their tractors in reply to NC Wayne, 10-19-2006 21:31:13  
Two years ago the Deere industrial works in Dubuque was filled with 100's of used and abused military loaders. They were being stripped to the bare casings and 100% rebuilt for 2/3 the cost of new.



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ray

10-20-2006 06:23:47




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 Re: Military refurbing their tractors in reply to NC Wayne, 10-19-2006 21:31:13  
There probably paying more than new price to have them rebuilt,everyone inflates goverment contracts big time.



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Oldmax

10-20-2006 04:34:42




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 Re: Military refurbing their tractors in reply to NC Wayne, 10-19-2006 21:31:13  
I was one of the people that used some of that Flight line Eqpt in the 50's & 60's , but we thought our Eqpt was from the 40's . "O" well it's a small world . AFSC was 43151E/TEMP 43171E Acft Maintance . Jet over 2 engines "B-52/D & KC-135/A" Bergsrtom AFB , Austin TX .



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doogdoog

10-20-2006 03:11:16




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 Re: Military refurbing their tractors in reply to NC Wayne, 10-19-2006 21:31:13  
Aloha, It's good that the military is rebuilding their old equipment but how reliable are their, subs, jets, carriers, etc with EMP??

Mahalo,
doogdoog



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Rick (IA)

10-20-2006 12:25:08




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 Re: Military refurbing their tractors in reply to doogdoog, 10-20-2006 03:11:16  
Don't think EMP is gonna hurt the boomers and attack boats much...not down where they play.



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doogdoog

10-20-2006 19:11:25




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 Re: Military refurbing their tractors in reply to Rick (IA), 10-20-2006 12:25:08  
Aloha, Well, on Sunday when we had our earthquake, I thought that N Korea finally did it and sent one over here. Whew!

Mahalo,
doogdoog



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Aaron Ford

10-20-2006 02:33:33




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 Re: Military refurbing their tractors in reply to NC Wayne, 10-19-2006 21:31:13  
Some of the air compressors we used on the flightline were from the second world war. Other equipment was from the 50s and 60s. This was in the mid 90"s. Shelter it, and maintain it and it will last. Aaron



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Dachshund

10-20-2006 05:40:43




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 Re: Military refurbing their tractors in reply to Aaron Ford, 10-20-2006 02:33:33  
I think we had C-Rats that were from Korea! The last DC-3 the USMC had retired in 1984. We had LOTS of stuff left over from WW2..... ..



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the tractor vet

10-20-2006 06:41:14




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 Re: Military refurbing their tractors in reply to Dachshund, 10-20-2006 05:40:43  
When i got to Nahm the C-Rat's were dated on some of the cases Oct. 1942 and went up from there now the NEW C-RAT's that were dated from 1944and up had the good stuff like pound cake and canned fruit , This younger genaration of troops don't know the finer eating that was in a can and had AGED for 25 years or tryen to figure out how to keep the cans from rattlen in your pack when ya went out on them long patrols across that littel line on the map where they said that no US troops never ever crossed .

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Dachshund

10-20-2006 06:59:20




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 Re: Military refurbing their tractors in reply to the tractor vet, 10-20-2006 06:41:14  
Yup - MRE's just aren't the same! We always had to check the cans to make sure they were "bloated" (spoiled). The guy who got the Spaghetti & Meatballs was they lucky one! The Beans & Weinnies guy was on the other end, though. The pound cake was good, but the fruit cake was nasty. The "Sh!t Discs" were a delicacy!



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banjo

10-19-2006 22:23:50




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 Re: Military refurbing their tractors in reply to NC Wayne, 10-19-2006 21:31:13  
I did a tour with the Navy and i know what you mean.If they did the maint on the stuff they should be good equipment to start with.



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