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Is this a crazy idea??

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old

10-17-2006 16:51:30




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I have a Farmall M that the water pump is locked up on. I would prefer not to pull it off. I'm thinking about filling the colling system with a mix of diesel fuel, tranny fluid and oils. The reason for this mix is I have a 55 gallion barrel full of the stuff. Question is will this hurt the colling system in any way?? Ya I know I'll need to flush the system after I drain the mix out. Will if maybe help unlock the pump?? What do you guys think?
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Don L C

10-20-2006 19:26:04




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 Re: Is this a crazy idea?? in reply to old, 10-17-2006 16:51:30  
If you want to try saving that old water pump go for it..... your oil mixture wont heart a thing..... if you get it loose leave the oil in it and run it a while..... .Don



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Oldmax

10-19-2006 05:22:59




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 Re: Is this a crazy idea?? in reply to old, 10-17-2006 16:51:30  
Just bite the bullet and spend the money to buy a new water pump "its only Money". if you get pump turning will still have bad bearings .



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Ohio Mike

10-18-2006 10:35:33




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 Re: Is this a crazy idea?? in reply to old, 10-17-2006 16:51:30  
I've had things come back to many times and bite me in the butt when I try short cuts trying to keep running. Now I use this theory and found it works best, do it right the first time and it's better on the butt, the headache, and the wallet.



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BillyinStoughton

10-18-2006 09:14:28




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 Re: Is this a crazy idea?? in reply to old, 10-17-2006 16:51:30  
IMO I would think that by the time you drain the system of existing coolant, fill it with this mix, drain it down, flush it, and then put in the correct 50/50 mix of antifreeze...you would be not further ahead in time than to just knock off the grill, radiator, and do it right.

I did the water pump on my H not long ago and only had 2 hours in it start to finish. It helps that my H has the access holes to the radiator mounts (not sure if your M is late enough to have these) but even if you M didn't, it's not that major of an undertaking.

I would definitely get that water pump out of there and rebuild it.

Good luck with it!

Billy

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James2

10-18-2006 08:12:06




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 Re: Is this a crazy idea?? in reply to old, 10-17-2006 16:51:30  
Who is to "inherit" this mess after you have comtaminated the whole coolant system with used oil/fuel etc? Are you going to keep it, or sell it to some unsuspecting customer? Are you going to capture and send the comtaiminated flush water to a hazardous material disposal center?



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wayne from wi

10-17-2006 20:53:20




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 Re: Is this a crazy idea?? in reply to old, 10-17-2006 16:51:30  

Go Ahead and try it. I have a 1997 International semi tractor with a Cat engine. 3406/435 HP. I woke up one morning from sleeping in the truck and saw a 100+ foot long river of diesel fuel leading from my truck. OH Sh!!!! I called the truck dealer I trust and he said nothing to worry about. The orings on the injectors need to be replaced and when I get back just bring it in. There will be no harm in running it like that. 80 to 100 hours later it was fixed. That was 350,000 miles ago. In your situation, your only concern might be hoses that might not tolerate petrolium contact. If you think think it will penetrate the water pump and free it, I think you are safe to try it. Wayne

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doogdoog

10-18-2006 01:48:33




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 Re: Is this a crazy idea?? in reply to wayne from wi, 10-17-2006 20:53:20  
Aloha, I would just shoot some penetrating oil on the shaft and try to turn it back and fourth using whatever you got. If it doesn't come loose, oil or whatever you put in the system won't get it loose. Take it off and do a professional job unless you just want to do a quickie and dump it.

Mahalo,
doogdoog



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wayne from wi

10-17-2006 21:32:16




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 Re: Is this a crazy idea?? in reply to wayne from wi, 10-17-2006 20:53:20  

I need to add that the injector orings that were leaking were putting diesel fuel into the cooling system and causing the coolant to overflow. Wayne



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B-maniac

10-17-2006 18:20:24




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 Re: Is this a crazy idea?? in reply to old, 10-17-2006 16:51:30  
I maybe wrong on this,old,but I'm thinking that maybe you just are wanting to get this tractor running to see how it runs before you put all the work into the pump replacement.If I'm right, then just run it without the pump turning,at least long enough to see that it runs good or bad. They don't heat up that fast as long as it is full of liquid.If I'm wrong then disreguard this and just bite the bullet and replace it. The bearing will be sloppy,letting the shaft move and the seal wont hold anyway.

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old

10-17-2006 19:47:28




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 Re: Is this a crazy idea?? in reply to B-maniac, 10-17-2006 18:20:24  
I have it up and running but the water pump is locked up so bad that the belt will start smokeing in less the a minute. I just don't want to go through all the work to pull the pump if I can get by with out doing so.



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Gerald J.

10-17-2006 17:40:56




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 Re: Is this a crazy idea?? in reply to old, 10-17-2006 16:51:30  
Yes. What is that evil brew going to do to the gaskets and sleeve o-rings made for standing water NOT petroleum products? I think it will make everything leak but won't loosen up the water pump. There is only one cure for the water pump and that's to take if off and rebuild or replace it. There's no magic elixer that will get to the rusted up bearing from the water side.

Gerald J.



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Janicholson

10-17-2006 17:35:46




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 Re: Is this a crazy idea?? in reply to old, 10-17-2006 16:51:30  
Old, All the rubber in the system will be contaminated and may need replacing after the treatment. If it soaks into the rust and scale in the block it may never get "right" again. I would say that it is better to put a chain wrench on the hub and get angry. I know removing radiator and all the shafts and bolts under the casting, and rubber isolators. Good luck, JimN



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BigMarv1085

10-17-2006 17:03:25




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 Re: Is this a crazy idea?? in reply to old, 10-17-2006 16:51:30  
I guess you could try it. Seems like you a have a frozen bearing and if you were able to break it free, the bearing is probably going to come apart and trash the whole water pump. Napa did sell a rebuild kit for water pumps. A new pump will cost around $200. They are simple to rebuild. 2 bearings a spring loaded seal.



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Gerald J.

10-18-2006 10:07:12




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 Re: Is this a crazy idea?? YES!!!!! in reply to BigMarv1085, 10-17-2006 17:03:25  
If the pump seal isn't leaking that stuff in the cooling system won't get to the bearing. I the pump seal leaked coolant to rust the bearing solid, the little of that evil brew that leaks won't be enough to loosen the bearing.

There is ONLY ONE solution to this problem and that requires removing and replacing the pump with either a rebuilt or new pump. It might be in the same casting or another, that has to be determined with the pump on the work bench.

Gerald J.

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onefarmer

10-18-2006 20:20:35




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 Re: Is this a crazy idea?? YES!!!!! in reply to Gerald J., 10-18-2006 10:07:12  
""If the pump seal isn't leaking that stuff in the cooling system won't get to the bearing""

I have to ditto this. I was thinking the same.



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