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Bryan in Iowa

10-16-2006 06:00:45




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Two part question here. I was wondering what you folks use to secure your buildings ? Making sure hinge pins are welded , dead bolts, plate over locks to prevent prying jamb open , bar across door etc. shop the hit here last week , they cleaned out couple tool boxes and shop tools . Also , alarms, alarm companies, cameras ,internet camera's ??
Trying to make sure I have everything covered.I know if bad guys want in they will find a way , but anything to slow them down . I have even seen them drive a car through overhead sho door to get in a place . I use to have a big ol dog ,,but he got lil too mean and too much of a liability .
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Rickstir

10-17-2006 10:30:58




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 Re: Shop Security in reply to Bryan in Iowa , 10-16-2006 06:00:45  
Never, I repeat never, drag a body back into your house or shop. The authorities can tell it was drug in, and you would be in really big trouble for tampering with a crime scene. If you feel justified in shooting them and you are within your rights, leave them be a rely on the truth.



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Leland

10-17-2006 02:48:52




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 Re: Shop Security in reply to Bryan in Iowa , 10-16-2006 06:00:45  
You can spend all that money as 1 guy I know did and bragged his shop was like fort knox ,so I made him a bet and just to prove it I told him I would go and get any small object from his shop he wanted . All it took was a 7/16's socket after all you guys forget how easy it is to take out the seam bolts on a sheet on any metal building and walaw your in and how many people go to the expense to put any kind of security along there walls ?

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HuskerMedic

10-16-2006 18:42:50




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 Re: Shop Security in reply to Bryan in Iowa , 10-16-2006 06:00:45  
During my high school years (many years ago) a neighboring school district was having problems with almost weekly burglaries at their high school. No forced entry; the best guess was that kids were concealing themselves in an attic crawlspace during school hours and popping out at night to do their dastardly deeds.

One morning, the students noticed the biology teacher's pet tarantula was not in his aquarium. Teacher said he had released it in the attic crawlspace. Suddenly, no more burglaries.

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Old Meany

10-16-2006 14:43:57




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 Re: Shop Security in reply to Bryan in Iowa , 10-16-2006 06:00:45  
I caught the neighbors teenage son in my shop stealing a can of gas. I had a shotgun with me. I made him pick up a shovel and walk ahead of me to a cleaning in our woods. He then had to dig a big hole while I watched him. The next day he left to live with relatives half way across the country and has not come back for five years.



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Hal/WA

10-16-2006 22:34:11




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 Re: Shop Security in reply to Old Meany, 10-16-2006 14:43:57  
You are very lucky he didn't tell the authorities and get an investigation going. I am guessing that a prosecutor could come up with kidnapping and felony assault with gun enhancement charges against you from what you have described. Probably worth about 20 years in my state.....

Maybe an effective way to handle an immediate problem, but you were really hanging out!



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Aaron Ford

10-16-2006 19:09:34




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 Re: Shop Security in reply to Old Meany, 10-16-2006 14:43:57  
Perfect!!!! Not sure if that's legal, but I cannot think of a better solution to the problem. He'll thank you too when he's 35 with a wife, kids and a three bedroom house instead of a jailcell with a guy named Boo.



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buickanddeere

10-16-2006 14:11:05




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 Re: Shop Security in reply to Bryan in Iowa , 10-16-2006 06:00:45  
SSS Remember they usually come back in a few days or weeks once the insurance has replaced everything but before the alarm company shows up to wire the place. New empty cardboard cartons in the garbage tells thieves the new items have arrived. It's rare if a totally unknown stranger is the thief.



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Aaron Ford

10-16-2006 13:22:42




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 Re: Shop Security in reply to Bryan in Iowa , 10-16-2006 06:00:45  
My house was broken into and the Crackhead only left with wallet, purse and an R/C car. He bypassed many hundred dollars in tools. Why?

It took us some time to figure it out, but we realized it was not his first time on my place. The first time he stole a 1/4 in ratchet and the $9.99 4.5 inch Harbor Freight grinder from my truck. After realizing that they were worth nothing, he did not waste his time stealing any more tools....

He woke my wife when he was looking for the R/C controller (He never found it).

And the wallet and purse contained...

Drum roll, please.....

2 dollars.

Screw that crackhead.

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IH Fan

10-16-2006 12:08:51




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 Re: Shop Security in reply to Bryan in Iowa , 10-16-2006 06:00:45  
A few years back my son&his FFA class put my ss# on all of my tools &equipment! I'm safe now!



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Leland

10-17-2006 02:52:40




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 Re: Shop Security in reply to IH Fan, 10-16-2006 12:08:51  
Sorta of dumb to use SS# bacause if they steal your tools they now can get C cards in your name or buy a car and ruin your credit as well .



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oldcraneguy

10-16-2006 12:22:43




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 Re: Shop Security in reply to IH Fan, 10-16-2006 12:08:51  
IH Fan, Are you talking your entire SS# ?...Please say no! Id rather have my tools stole than to have theives with my SS#, they can do a lot of credit damage with that!



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Blue3992

10-16-2006 10:40:15




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 Re: Shop Security in reply to Bryan in Iowa , 10-16-2006 06:00:45  
Yup. If you kill him as he's crawling in through the window, make sure you pull him all the way in before the cops arrive.



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Gerald J.

10-16-2006 10:34:13




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 Re: Shop Security in reply to Bryan in Iowa , 10-16-2006 06:00:45  
Go to your sheriff and get an ID number assigned. Then mark everything in the place, starting with the door locks. On big stuff mark twice, once obvious, once hidden. Keep a register of equipment with serial numbers and locations of the hidden markings. Then go buy and prominently post a sign from FB that announces that the markings have been made.

When the building is unoccupied, bar all doors, especially overhead doors, from the inside. For overhead doors prop a 2x6 between the door bottom and overhead joists to keep them from rising when the door latch is ripped off.

Gerald J.

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Dan-IA

10-16-2006 10:16:37




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 Re: Shop Security in reply to Bryan in Iowa , 10-16-2006 06:00:45  
Best security system I know of are good neighbors. Close friends, retired and don't go anywhere. They know every car that goes up the road. And I couldn't begin to sneak on or off my own place; they'll know. It's about 150 feet from the end of my lane to the end of theirs, but even in heavy fog they'll hear an engine running.

I can't get away with anything. Which leads me to believe nobody else will, either.

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oldcraneguy

10-16-2006 09:10:19




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 Re: Shop Security in reply to Bryan in Iowa , 10-16-2006 06:00:45  
Years back i remember hearin bout a cuban auto parts store owner in miami that had been hit a half a dozen times in as many months decided to set up a bit of a booby trap in his attic crawl space (they were comin in thru the roof} electrified chicken wire was his method, well cpl wks later he found a would be thief in his attic well done, never heard if he got sued or not but one things sure...one less thief to worry about..

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Ohio Mike

10-16-2006 08:35:54




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 Re: Shop Security in reply to Bryan in Iowa , 10-16-2006 06:00:45  
Don't have answers on how to make it secure. But according to a police detective friend of mine the best thing you can do is try not to let people know what you have. He said on most of the bigger jobs, like a garage or house being cleaned out the crooks have been in at least once or twice before they hit so they know what's there. Also he said try not to keep a routine. My X-brother in law and his wife got his house and garage both cleaned out, I mean they took it all, lock stock, and barrel. They both worked midnights and always the same routine. They caught the crooks when someone told the cops about a warehouse and when the cops checked it they found all this stuff from different breakins. There was even a brand new township dump truck with snow plow. When they interviewed the crooks the one gave times and details of being in the places before taking anything. The detective said lots of light and the harder you make it to take something the better it is.

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the tractor vet

10-16-2006 07:13:35




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 Re: Shop Security in reply to Bryan in Iowa , 10-16-2006 06:00:45  
Well it is like this if they want in bad enough then they will come in . Locks are for honest folk to keep them that way . And the crooks also READ NORHTERN TOOL Catalogs , so here again it may make ya feel better . Years back i HAD a friend that for a short time i worked for him as i ran the Oil Field Service co. end of his operation he also had a vary good Diesel repair service that did work for the oilfield ,const. and trucking ind., Well his nice state of the art shop with all the toy one could want to work with and every part ya needed to rebuild any detroit engine one night someone came in and helped them selfs to what ever was not bolted down cleaned out the parts room i mean everything got the 5 mechanic BIG tool boxes and used the shop forklift to load them they took everything that they could load . Well after the dust setteled and everything was replaced he got two guard dogs the next week he came in earlie to open up and found that the place was open and empty again along with two dead dogs so they replaced everything again and the Mac Matco and Snap on tool guys were loven this as just one of them tool boxes empty was over 12000 plus all the rest of the stuff . Well next he tryed and armed guard and two dogs about a month and a half later he came in one morning to find the guard with his head split open and out like a lite and two dead dogs . Next he tryed the armed guard three dogs and hard wired system wright to the sheriffs office well once again this time the cut the phone wires killed the dogs and beat up the armed guard and cleaned out the place . Well one morning i pulled into the lot and not being totaly awake i was staren at the big sign on the side of the building that use to say Beware of dogs now the DOG is crossed out in red paint and below that it said Snakes , Now old Billy D. was not wrapped to tight here he went and got two TIMBER rattlers and removed there rattels and at night he would bare handed take them out of the BIG glass cage and turn them loose in the place , Now since i do not like snakes even though i had a key to get in and knew the code to shut down the alarm there was noway in gods green earth that i would go in till Wild Bill would get his two friends locked up and this Nut case would grab them bare handed he called them Frick and Frack . I got there one morning and i was setting in the pickup and the phone was ringing off the hook i did not care if it was the biggest job ever on the other end of the line as they would have to call back later well the office girls came in and here we all were setting in thelot waiting for Bill to come and get his two BUDDYs ,he gets there about 10 to 8 and here we all are setting in the lot with the phones ringing he looks at me and asked why i did not go answer the phones i just smiled well he goes over and unlock the door and goes to step in and one of his Buddys nails his boot as it was layen just inside the door . Well after Frick and Frack were put to work there was never another breakin .So i would have to say that that was the vary best system one could install.

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jmixigo

10-16-2006 06:26:38




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 Re: Shop Security in reply to Bryan in Iowa , 10-16-2006 06:00:45  
Keep yore insurance paid up. I just sold off my intrest in a wrecker service/big truck repair service type business. Get good insurance, keep the coverage updated, pay ever premium on time, and do your best to limit what they can steal. As far as the dog goes we had two, both got shot by a thug one night. One lived an the insurance man told me I orta git rid of her or take her home. He told us if some crook broke in an got chewed up then we'd learn that the REAL theives carry briefcases and wear suits.

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RustyFarmall

10-16-2006 06:16:37




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 Re: Shop Security in reply to Bryan in Iowa , 10-16-2006 06:00:45  
Like you said, if they want in, they will find a way. Don't have any real answers, but the more difficult you can make it to get in the less likely you are to have any break-ins. I think sometimes the security measures need to be hidden because a heavily chained and padlocked door is an indicator that there are treasures inside, and other times the security measures need to be quite obvious. Security cameras are probably the answer, but make sure the potential thieves know that they are being monitored.

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Old Pokey

10-16-2006 06:10:39




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 I know our time is coming.......... in reply to Bryan in Iowa , 10-16-2006 06:00:45  
Cross my my fingers, knock on wood, we have'nt been hit,..... ...yet. I was thumbing through the Northern Tool catalog and found some fake, but realistic looking battery operated cameras I'm going to put up. They are battery operated and will move when motion is detected.

They also sell regular closed circut camera setups.

So far, we've just kept everything well lighted and make an effort to have some sort of activity going on even late in the night or early morning.

You're right though, if they want in bad enough, they'll kill you to get there. We just keep our insurance up to date and do what we can to keep the "oportunist's" away.

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Ken Macfarlane

10-16-2006 08:39:15




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 Re: I know our time is coming.......... in reply to Old Pokey, 10-16-2006 06:10:39  
I plan on pointing one of those ip cameras at the front gate and one at the front door and set them to email me a pic each time something moves. Maybe even set an old monitor up inside the entrance that displays the last picture taken.

I've got myself some good deadbolts, I'm welding reinforments onto the door frame and I'm building a block wall room inside for the high dollar tools to live in, hopefully help in a fire too. I've got no windows below 12 ft high, and all them have a 12 ft drop on the inside too.

Even still I need insurance, cause I could easily back a stolen truck through a wall or rollup door to break in.

And as the old advice goes if your threatened by a robber and you have a gun, make sure he is shot dead. Wounded means a heap of trouble for you.

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Gerald J.

10-16-2006 10:28:50




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 Re: I know our time is coming.......... in reply to Ken Macfarlane, 10-16-2006 08:39:15  
And in Iowa be sure that burgler's dead body is inside the building when the deputies arrive.

Gerald J.



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504-1

10-16-2006 21:10:34




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 Re: I know our time is coming.......... in reply to Gerald J., 10-16-2006 10:28:50  
For the price of a fake camera you can buy the real deal. X10.com, work fine for me.



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