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37 chief

10-10-2006 19:48:45




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I have seen several pictures of combine fires on this sight. In the Stuck and troubled,I now see a new JD combine burned up. I feel bad just seeing the picture, I can,t emagine what the owner must feel like. What is the main cause of these fires? Do they have a fire extinguishing system? or a fire indicating light? I had my JD 5020 catch fire in the wiring, and I had a extinguisher handy, and it sure saved the day. I now always carry one on my MF when mowing, as I started a rock strike fire and didn't have anything other than my feet to put out the fire. Stan

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kyhayman

10-11-2006 14:36:13




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 Re: Combine Fires in reply to 37 chief, 10-10-2006 19:48:45  
I've put out a few tractor fires over the years, never seem to get them quite right after that. Last one I put out I got to thinking as I was looking when the fuel line crumbled in my hand after it was cold out and I got soaked in diesel just how lucky I was.

No more, I've had 2 fires since then, both times I bailed, ran, called the FD. Thats why I pay insurance on tractors. Life ins is for my spouse. I'd rather use the former than risk using the latter.

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dboll

10-11-2006 13:57:28




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 Re: Combine Fires in reply to 37 chief, 10-10-2006 19:48:45  
saw a 2388 Case go up last year, wow, what a weeney roast! happened to be full of fuel and when the tires blew, cablam! smoke,oh wow! couldn't believe something with that much metal could burn like that! The owner had a dream or premenition the night before that it burn't. He said it was wore out anyways, I laughed, a 'wore out" 2388" would be a step up from the machines we have owned, like the 715 we had years ago.

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buickanddeere

10-11-2006 13:34:14




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 Re: Combine Fires in reply to 37 chief, 10-10-2006 19:48:45  
Day dreaming operator, no decent class A fire extingushers and no regular cleaning of chaff or wind-ups etc.



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John S-B

10-11-2006 13:09:29




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 Re: Combine Fires in reply to 37 chief, 10-10-2006 19:48:45  
I'm always amazed that there are no extinguishing systems on these 100-200 thousand dollar machines. I think a system like the one Ansul makes for range hoods in restaraunts would work good. I would at least have 3-4 water extinguishers with foam concentrate or joy detergent to soak into the chaff and help with oil and fuel fires. Don't know how much an ansul system would cost but water extinguishers are about 60-80 bucks, cheap insurance I think.

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calamazoo

10-11-2006 18:15:41




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 Re: Combine Fires in reply to John S-B, 10-11-2006 13:09:29  
60 to 80 bucks might buy the mounting brackets! I just had a fire safety specialist here yesterday. He has 20 years experience and only does agriculture. He said about 1000 dollars to do it properly. That is a 15 pound vapour type for the engine compartment and a 20 pound powder type for the fuel/cab area.



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John S-B

10-12-2006 11:38:05




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 Re: Combine Fires in reply to calamazoo, 10-11-2006 18:15:41  
I meant 60-80 for the water extinguishers. $1000 does'nt sound too bad for a whole system, especially if you can get an insurance discount.



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Bill(Wis)

10-11-2006 09:59:06




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 Re: Combine Fires in reply to 37 chief, 10-10-2006 19:48:45  
Do a search on "John Deere combine fires". My brother investigated a John Deere 9560 that burned to the ground. That one was caused by overheating of chaff that wound around a shaft enclosed in a tube. Overheating was caused by friction and enhanced by the normal heat already present. Combines are notorious generators of dust and chaff providing a good source of kindling. Once enough heat shows up to ignite it the rest is history. Plastic panels, corn, 100+ gallons of fuel, rubber tires.

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WBWi

10-11-2006 07:15:13




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 Re: Combine Fires in reply to 37 chief, 10-10-2006 19:48:45  
We had a fire on our 9650Sts this week setting all the dust on the back of the machine on fire, fortunally we had a water supply to get it out.It turned out it had started in the deflecter behind the rotor. Upon inspection there was no bearing out and belts where fine. In the end I took the grates off around the back of the rotor and put the gear box in neutral there was a slight scaping sound I was able to stick a rod in there and catch a piece of barb wire, ended up removeing 4ft in three chunks. I lost a day doing this but saved the combine it would be intersting if the combine in the photo was checked over.

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Jimmy King

10-11-2006 02:15:23




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 Re: Combine Fires in reply to 37 chief, 10-10-2006 19:48:45  
My first round baler was a 605 A Vemeer, I was baling some very dry red clover one time and the belts running through a build up of hay caught on fire



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davpal

10-10-2006 21:53:36




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 Re: Combine Fires in reply to 37 chief, 10-10-2006 19:48:45  
We have an old gleaner that would be better off burning up but so far we have been ok! I go around it with a gas powered leaf blower every couple of times my dad unloads the bin and I blow off all the dust, debris, out of all the engine parts and off the exhaust and radiator shrouds and basically everywhere, cab and all. I thing a lot of people could prevent those fires if they just carried a leaf blower and did that regurlarly. JMHO

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Bob

10-10-2006 21:31:26




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 Re: Combine Fires in reply to 37 chief, 10-10-2006 19:48:45  
The newer combines have the engine, mounted at the top, surrounded in DECORATIVE shrouding, with the top OPEN.

When operating in the right kind of a wind, chaff and straw can fall down and build up around HOT engine parts. When operating with one or more additional combines in the field, with the right crosswind, there's even MORE crop debris flying around, to possibly settle around the engine.

Ad this buildup of debris to bearing failures, belts slipping and burning off, electrical shorts, and HOT hydraulic oil from a busted hose, or other leak spraying on even HOTTER exhaust parts, and you've got a WHOLE LOT of things that can start a fire!

Mice damaging wiring have started a few fires, too!

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Coloken

10-10-2006 20:17:23




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 Re: Combine Fires in reply to 37 chief, 10-10-2006 19:48:45  
Bad bearings.They can get red hot. Stuff in a combine can smolder for hours befor it takes off. We all ways parked them in summer fallow (bare ground) at night. Never in the stubble field.



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BigMarv1085

10-10-2006 20:56:11




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 Re: Combine Fires in reply to Coloken, 10-10-2006 20:17:23  
I had a bearing got out in my round baler and it caught fire a couple of years ago and just happened to have a half gallon of water with me. I know of 4 balers and 2 cotton pickers that have caught fire in my area in the last 4 years.



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