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Comments on some earlier messages: sort of OT

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PhilcaseinWPa

10-04-2006 10:55:30




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Hi guys,

I don't want to make anyone angry or upset but several posts in the last few days have got me to thinking. (That's dangerous.) The first was a picture of a cornfield that had been driven over by someone and the farmer had lost a lot of crop (and $$$). The next was about inconsiderate farmers hogging the road with their big equipment. Then there was one about a newer country resident feeling the old farm community resented him and others moving into the country. The last was this morning (and has now been lost due to server problems) asking if you allow ATVs on your property.

First a little background. My 190 acres have been owned by my family for 200 years. It is a typical of the farms in the Ohio valley of W. PA in that it is a lot more hill than level and more wooded than open. There is only 1 other farm on our road. The rest is houses, no developments just homes on 1/2 acre to 3 or 4 acres. A few are new a lot are 50 years old or more. I get along well with my neighbors for the most part.

I do not allow ATVs on my property. I do allow hikers, dog walkers, hunters, even horseback riders, but no ATVs, or dirt bikes, 4X4s etc. Why? It all started in the 70s. It seems everybody was getting 4X4s and seeing where they could go to get stuck. Behind our property is a large track of abandonded land owned by an absentee landlord. The 4X4s could climb the hill to the top and party. The parties got wilder and I guess not every one had 4X4s so they started driving their cars through our fields to get to the parties. Then the 4X4s started to run through our fields also. For some reason this stopped and then the dirt bikes and ATVs started. With a lot of effort and talking to the local kids and calling police we now don't have much trouble. The locals are very good about respecting our property rights, about the only incidents we have now are from people from out of the area or even out of state. The other thing I don't like about ATVs is that it seems it ain't no fun if you can't tear up the ground while you're using them. Pick the steepest hill, a creek bed, some fragile landscape and ride as fast as you can, do some donuts, go over it again and again until nothing is left growing on it, then when it rains a lot and the ditches get so deep and rough that you can't go there anymore move on to another spot. Farmers are always being told to practice soil conservation, builders have to put up silt dams around construction sites on level ground but it seems fine for idiots on ATVs to do what ever damage to the land they want. My opinion is if you own the land that's your business but most of them don't own enough land to park their 2 cars, suv, pickup truck and trailer.

As far as inconsiderate farmers go I think there are a lot more inconsiderate drivers out there in a hurry to get someplace they probably don't want to be anyway. Even on our little farm I try to stay off the road as much as I can but sometimes I have to drive the road. From 1 field lane to our driveway it is maybe 150 yards up hill. You can not see over the crest of the hill until you are almost to the top. Often times I will be hauling a load of sweetcorn or tomatoes up this hill and someone in an awful big hurry to make it to the ER will pass me. No accidents yet but someday one of those big 53' semis that get lost on our road or a kid in their jacked up souped up goes too d****d fast 4X4s are going to be coming the otherway. Most of the people who pass know I'll be off the road in 15 seconds or that there is a nice long level strech at the top that you can see to safely pass on. So who's inconsiderate and who's in just too big of a hurry?

As far as farmer's resenting outsiders goes I guess this could happen and probably does. When I was first married I could have farmed with my FIL in eastern PA, Pennsylvania Dutch country, but I know I would have always been an outsider. I couldn,t speak Dutch but I did have a beard. I think if people who move in are resectful of the farmer's way of life and try to help out or at least stay out of the way they will eventually be accepted. Remember farmer's are not generally huggy feely type of guys so what you interpret as resentment may just be respectfully keeping their distance. Now what a lot of rural people resent is when city people move to the country and try to bring the city with them, ie. zoning restrictions, noise restrictions, odor restrictions, sidewalks, streetlights, etc.

As far as the crop damage goes that is just plain old lack of respect and you ought to be allowed to just shoot the slobs on the spot.

Enough of the rant, lunchtime is over, I have to get back to work but I feel better. Sorry it was so long.

Phil

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rambler

10-04-2006 19:19:52




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 Re: Comments on some earlier messages: sort of OT in reply to PhilcaseinWPa, 10-04-2006 10:55:30  
You make a lot of sense. :)

Years ago the snowmobilers got a law passed that they could ride on any farmland in winter, because it wasn't being used by the owner. Think that lasted 2 years until it got shelved.....

--->Paul



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rambler

10-04-2006 19:19:24




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 Re: Comments on some earlier messages: sort of OT in reply to PhilcaseinWPa, 10-04-2006 10:55:30  
You make a lot of sense. :)

Years ago the snowmobilers got a law passed that they could ride on any farmland in winder, because it wasn't being used by the owner. Think that lasted 2 years until it got shelved.....

--->Paul



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Leland

10-04-2006 16:52:29




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 Re: Comments on some earlier messages: sort of OT in reply to PhilcaseinWPa, 10-04-2006 10:55:30  
I own both a 4x4 and or owned an ATV sold it last night but I never went out just to tear ground up I bought it for a handicaped scooter my diabetes has played havic on my feet and I need something to get around and I can pretty much ride almost anywere since I treat others property like I own it .



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jlmtractor

10-04-2006 13:52:04




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 Re: Comments on some earlier messages: sort of OT in reply to PhilcaseinWPa, 10-04-2006 10:55:30  
i am a fellow 4wheeler rider and 4x4 driver and i am so sorry that your property was hurt. who ever does such a thing gives a bad name to the other riders. i really dont know what to say other than does there happen to be maybe a park around for them to ride on?



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john *.?-!.* cub owner

10-04-2006 18:48:42




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 Re: Comments on some earlier messages: sort of OT in reply to jlmtractor , 10-04-2006 13:52:04  
I guess different eople look at things differently. I have been dribing 4x4 since late 69, and used to do a lot of trail riding with some friends. We didn't try to see how bad a terrain we could cross, but if we could go sompelace wihtout any one beign albe to tell we'd been there. No spinning, no mud if we could avoid it etc. We had a lot fo fun, and our rigs lasted a lot longer htan those of the "hot rocks" we saw.

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souNdguy

10-04-2006 12:39:55




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 Re: Comments on some earlier messages: sort of OT in reply to PhilcaseinWPa, 10-04-2006 10:55:30  
Well said.

I've had to fence pastures i was trying to reclaim just to keep the destructive ATV's off them.

Soundguy



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the tractor vet

10-04-2006 12:15:25




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 Re: Comments on some earlier messages: sort of OT in reply to PhilcaseinWPa, 10-04-2006 10:55:30  
Now i am not far from ya just across the line and over here the farms are dropping like flys and houses are growen faster then the corn . What was once all farm land with a bit of woods and rollen to hilly ground with vary narrow side roads has become yuppy heaven and everybody thinks that because there is no speed limit signs on the side roads that there for it is what ever there yuppy mobles will do and shame on you if you just happen to be on the road moving from one field to the next or from farm to farm . There are places that even if ya have the head off the combine that you still can not get over because of a drop off down into a revene or a cut thru a hill and even thought my old combine is still over 8 feet wide and only runs around mybe 15 mph and the fact that it is only out there twice a years it is unreal how they react to ya . Then there was the new people that moved into a house on the property next to my buddy on the back side of him that trimed there shrubs and threw the trimming into the pasture and luckly only one cow ate the trimming and made it ten feet from them and droped over dead ad what they threw into the pasture was poisionous when my buddy got done talken to the vet he went over to these new people and asked then and they said yea we threw it over the fence and when he explained to them that there auction killed one of his cows they said OH WELL IT WAS ONLY A COW and did not offer to pay for or even say we are sorry it was Oh well . And they still throw stuff over the fence . OR the other neighbors that are always complaining about the manur smell or that we work late or work on sundays . They want you to stop doing what you do the way you do it . They don't need farmers they can get what they want from the stores .

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kyhayman

10-04-2006 13:18:06




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 Re: Comments on some earlier messages: sort of OT in reply to the tractor vet, 10-04-2006 12:15:25  
A few years ago we rented a farm, someone else was renting the house. The guy in the house, for some reason cleaned out a shed and threw out some paris green into the pasture that had been in a shed for years evidentally (since its been outlawed since I was a kid). Killed 4 of my cows before the labs came back as arsenic poisoning. Guy even read the bags and threw it there anyway.



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MeAnthony

10-04-2006 13:05:38




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 Re: Comments on some earlier messages: sort of OT in reply to the tractor vet, 10-04-2006 12:15:25  
I think I'd have shot his dog.
Oh well, it's just a dog!

Somehow, though, I doubt if he would have gotten the point?



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steveormary

10-04-2006 11:12:11




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 Re: Comments on some earlier messages: sort of OT in reply to PhilcaseinWPa, 10-04-2006 10:55:30  
Phil;

Before I sold out (health concerns) I wouldnt let any snowmobilers on my place. Well,I just got this snowmobile for Christmas and now I cant find any place to ride it. Too bad,shoulda thought of that sooner. Another fellow wanted to by 5 acres. Nope,no deal.I would rather keep my cows. And when I found that he wanted to start a salvage yard it was a defenite NO.

steve

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Brad in WI

10-04-2006 11:11:42




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 Re: Comments on some earlier messages: sort of OT in reply to PhilcaseinWPa, 10-04-2006 10:55:30  
I hear ya man. people that lived in the city for 35 years then move out to the country and then complain about having to drive so far to go get supplies or it is to dark with no street lights or to quiet. I am in my late twenties and grew up in the country (30 miles to the nearest store) and now live in the city. I cannot wait to be able to find a house in the country and get away from the hustle of the city.
Brad

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Roy Shields

10-04-2006 11:09:17




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 Re: Comments on some earlier messages: sort of OT in reply to PhilcaseinWPa, 10-04-2006 10:55:30  
I grew up on a farm and still live on one, even though I work in town. My wife lived in South Dakota, but then they moved to a suburb of Chicago, so she became a little "citified". Still, her attitude is "out where we live, the roads belong to the farmers." We have a neighbor a couple miles away who will do anything for any of us and the feeling is mutual. We are active in the school, church, etc., so we feel like we fit in. We have lived in the same place since 1978, and I still chuckle when one of the old timers refers to our place with the name of the family who farmed it in the 50's. I'm guilty of that too, when I go back to the family farm.

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