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What small tractor to get?

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dpski

10-02-2006 10:32:23




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Hello, yup another newbie here with tractoritis.

Don"t really need one, just want one to tinker with, haul some cord wood, maybe plow the driveway and mow a small field ~ 1 acre. I"m thinking the field would require a bush hog for there"s all sorts of stuff growing in there, not big stuff, just not pure grass. I"m not sure if a belly mower could handle that stuff or not. Don"t need a loader.

I"m mechanically inclined, I can fix brakes and bearings, waterpumps, timing belts, etc on cars but I"m not a mechanic. So I really don"t want to get involved with a full tear-down rebuild project.

These are the tractors I"m considering;

Ford 8N, Allis Chalmers B, Farmall A or Super A

The Ford seems like a good choice for easy parts availability and the 3-point system for a bush-hog. Since I"m a newbie at this don"t know enough about the Allis"s or Farmall"s if you can hook up bush-hog or not. I"m thinking it may be possible with the Farmall"s but don"t think they have the typical 3-point hitch system. Wouldn"t need a huge bush-hog for this field. I don"t think you can hook up a bush-hog to the Allis, but I really don"t know. Maybe a belly mower would be fine, but I honestly don"t know.

There"s a 8N and Farmall A for sale in my town, Ford has a loader on it, but I"ve read that can cause a lot of wear and tear on the front end. The Farmall has a cord-wood saw on the back, but no 3point, just the U shaped draw-bar. Not really sure how the cord-wood saw attaches, Seems to be bolted to the draw-bar and attached to two upper bars. The A is $500 more than the 8N, however it is in good shape, no rust, good tin, good tires, not show/parade quality, but in good shape.

Any tips/advice/recommendations would be appreciated.

Thanks

Dp

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Leonard Rahilly

10-05-2006 17:58:50




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 Re: What small tractor to get? in reply to dpski, 10-02-2006 10:32:23  
Tractors like the Ford 9N/2N/8N/NAA, etc., are easy to get on and off of, are pretty agile, AND have the 3-point hitch. I had never used a 3-point until I bought an old Ford 2N a few years ago to cut a good-sized field near my house. If you can say it is a joy to hitch up something to a tractor, the 3-point is a joy. I have used more than a dozen tractors going back to a 1927 Farmall, a 1929 McCormick 10-20, 3 F-12s, 2 F-20s, 2 Farmall Hs, an M, a Super M, a B, an A, a 1930 Oliver Row-Crop, and the Ford. Of all these, I especially liked (LOVED) driving the Farmall A--it is smooth running, easy to steer, has a very comfortable platform and convenient controls, and the visibility is wonderful. Its drawbacks are the lack of a 3-point hitch, and some difficulty in climbing up onto the seat (today, now that I am automatically offered senior-citizen admission prices, I expect I'd find the A a bit of a challenge to get on). The pneumatic lift that was an option with the A was a very strange system--it diverted exhaust gases to move a piston. I'm told that the gases eventually corroded the system so that it didn't work. When the lift system wasn't on the tractor, you had to lift the implements by hand. I do believe that a belly-mounted sickle-bar
mower was available for the A, but it would probably have to be lifted by hand (5-foot mower, not so heavy; 7-foot bar, very heavy).
I have no way to check this out now, but I think the Super A had "live" hydraulics. Early mechanical and hydraulic lifts were operated off the transmission. If the clutch was disengaged, there was no lift. Very inconvenient if you try to go straight up to a fence before lifting the implement. Putting the hydraulic pump on the engine meant that the hydraulics could be operated whether the clutch was engaged or not.
The one thing I found inconvenient on the Ford was the left brake pedal, which was on the left OUTSIDE the clutch pedal. Impossible to feather the clutch and operate the brake at the same time, as you sometimes need to do in tight quarters. The Ford 8N put both pedals on the right.
"Ford" was often thrown around to mean "junk" when I was a kid (reference mostly to the Model T, I think). The 2N was definitely not junky--it appeared well-built to me.

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dpski

10-03-2006 09:42:27




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 Re: What small tractor to get? in reply to dpski, 10-02-2006 10:32:23  
How about a Case 310, one for sale not too far from me.

I'm assuming they're a little more difficult to get parts for?

Too big?



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Leland

10-04-2006 17:07:06




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 Re: What small tractor to get? in reply to dpski, 10-03-2006 09:42:27  
Perfect little tractor just have somebody that knows tractors look at it for you and you still can find parts for it . any case IH dealer can help you .



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Hard Knocks

10-03-2006 06:15:44




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 Re: What small tractor to get? in reply to dpski, 10-02-2006 10:32:23  
I just bought a 460 Long for $1500 and it will work circles around the Ford or Farmall while burning 1/2 the fuel.Has 3pt,diff.lock,Indenpendent PTO,power steering and 42HP. Long and other Fiat tractors are some of the best bargains in a tractor around



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dpski

10-02-2006 19:02:41




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 Re: What small tractor to get? in reply to dpski, 10-02-2006 10:32:23  
Thanks for the replies.

Here"s a cooky idea.

Not quite to my original thinking, but how about an old Cub Cadet with a mower deck? 12hp? I know they could easily haul a cart load of cord wood. Would the mower be up to the task?

Or an old IH Cub or Cub Low Boy with a belly mower?

Just thinkin" of alternatives.



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dpski

10-03-2006 05:51:01




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 Re: What small tractor to get? in reply to dpski, 10-02-2006 19:02:41  
You're right it's a tractor I'm looking for, the Cubs were just a bizarre afterthought.

The Ford sounds like the most versatile rig for my intended uses. The easy trailering/garaging is an added bonus.

Thanks for the replies.



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davpal

10-02-2006 23:20:14




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 Re: What small tractor to get? in reply to dpski, 10-02-2006 19:02:41  
Having a farmall A and the ford to pick from I would go with the Ford without a doubt. I wish you could have watched how much work I did with my 9n saturday, you would have been convinced too. I had to go to a friends deer hunting property and brush hog some shooting lanes for them on about a ten acre wooded and grassland parcel they have. There were lots of scrub oaks, willows and poplar trees that had to be cut back along with a lot of grass and scrub brush to get it all up to snuff and looking good. I probably mowed about four acres in about four hours of work. The ford did a good job and they were pleased and kind of amazed how handy it was. They haul nice on trailers, I hauled it about 15 miles to the property. I was using a five foot john deere rotary cutter. The ford has a lot of good points, cheap price, easy platform to get on and off, tons of parts, fit in a low garage if needed, turn very well, fairly stable on hills, motors run cool, are very fuel efficiant, 3 point hitch can do everything you need to, light enough to not ruin your grass but heavy enough to get some dirt turned over. If you get a good one you will love it. I would actually find a 9n or a 2n. I think they have a more simple brake and axle setup than the 8n. I acutally think they went back in durability on the 8n with the tapered axle bearings and seals. Try to find one with a hi/low sherman transmission too if you can. Makes it nice for road gear. We are farmall people but for what you intend to do the ford is the best. Good luck.

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Well...

10-02-2006 19:18:41




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 Re: What small tractor to get? in reply to dpski, 10-02-2006 19:02:41  
We all thought you were looking for a tractor.
If you're looking for a lawnmower I'd ask my question



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Bill(Wis)

10-02-2006 19:10:57




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 Re: What small tractor to get? in reply to dpski, 10-02-2006 19:02:41  
All of those you just mentioned have way less horsepower than the earlier ones we talked about. Totally different league. Cubs have about 12 HP. Ford N's about 25. I think you'd be disappointed but, who knows?



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Bill(Wis)

10-02-2006 19:10:17




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 Re: What small tractor to get? in reply to dpski, 10-02-2006 19:02:41  
All of those you just mentioned have way less horsepower than the earlier ones we talked about. Totally different league. Cubs have about 12 HP. Ford N's about 25. I think you'd be disappointed but, who knows?



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Bill(Wis)

10-02-2006 17:23:02




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 Re: What small tractor to get? in reply to dpski, 10-02-2006 10:32:23  
The factory 3 point hitch, for what you have in mind, is the way to go. I would look for a more modern version of a Ford though. NAA/Jubilee, 600, etc would be a better choice due to reasons already stated. MF 135 is also a great little tractor.



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Leland

10-02-2006 15:57:56




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 Re: What small tractor to get? in reply to dpski, 10-02-2006 10:32:23  
Since you new to operating tractors I would suggest one made in the late 60's or early 70's they would be a safer one for a rookie since most have power brakes and steering and a live PTO and hydrolics I would look for something like a 2000 ford a 1010 JD or since your area is so small look for an older kubota or a little diesel of the same size



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26Red

10-02-2006 14:29:27




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 Re: What small tractor to get? in reply to dpski, 10-02-2006 10:32:23  
I would go with the A.... it"s better sized for you"re 1 acre yard....a belly mower mounted on the A would do fine. But if size wasn"t a factor I"d set up to a H or a Allis WD, both can be bought much cheaper than the 8n and the A, 3pts can be added, and the narrow fronts are great for tight spaces..



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CLW

10-02-2006 14:28:34




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 Re: What small tractor to get? in reply to dpski, 10-02-2006 10:32:23  
8N would be my choice. Dad worked 73 acres in the mid 40's to early 50's with a 9N. We went broke, but it was no fault of the tractor.



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Dachshund

10-02-2006 14:17:04




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 Re: What small tractor to get? in reply to dpski, 10-02-2006 10:32:23  
I'd go with the Ford. Most handy little tractor you can find. I do a LOT of work around here with mine, even though I have bigger machines.



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630crazy

10-02-2006 14:08:02




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 Re: What small tractor to get? in reply to dpski, 10-02-2006 10:32:23  
I'm actually a Case guy, but have you considered an A/C Wd or WD45. They have good power and hydraulics. The hand and foot clutch combination allows you a "sort of" live PTO(at least better than the ford or farmall). They are easy to find parts, easy to work on and most of the time you can find them real cheap.



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BillyinStoughton

10-02-2006 13:45:47




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 Re: What small tractor to get? in reply to dpski, 10-02-2006 10:32:23  
I guess I don't understand mjbrown's hate on the N series...but I would definitely put the N ahead of the A without much thought. Personally, I'm a Farmall guy, but it is really just no comparison.

Reasons to buy the Ford:

Bit more HP than the A
Easy on/off to get to the seat on the N
3 point hitch
Availability of parts
Low price of replacement parts
Better 4 speed transmission gearing
Great availability on implements

Reasons to buy the Farmall A over the N:

Great view from the offset seat

My opinion and nothing more...both tractors being in equally good repair. You will accomplish more work easier on the N, than you would be able to with the A.

Usually it's bigger HP that gets used around our place...but the two little tractors we have on the farm are an 8N and an A. When the overhead doors roll back for anything under 40HP...it's the 8N, not the A that comes out.

The only negative I could ever place on the 8N, is that it's reverse gear is pretty d*mn tall... but that's all that really comes to mind.

Billy

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Ultradog MN

10-02-2006 13:17:57




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 Re: What small tractor to get? in reply to dpski, 10-02-2006 10:32:23  
I guess I got to weigh in on the side of the Fords.
They aren't perfect but having that 3 point hitch just makes them so much more versatile than a straight drawbar tractor.
I started with an 2N Ford then an 8N then went to the thousand series. If I was to do it over again I would skip the Ns altogether and get a NAA/Jubilee or or 600 Ford.
They'll cost about $1000 more than an N but you will never look back

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mjbrown

10-02-2006 12:39:20




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 Re: What small tractor to get? in reply to dpski, 10-02-2006 10:32:23  
As a former Ford N owner I can say with great enthusiasm, get the Farmall! Once you get over the cute factor of the Ford and learn it's short comings you'll wish you had the red one.



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Matt Kane

10-02-2006 11:58:46




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 Re: What small tractor to get? in reply to dpski, 10-02-2006 10:32:23  
I have an Oliver Super 55 and love it. Its a diesel, mine has around 42 horsepower, its a late 550 engine. 6 forward, 2 reverse gears, independent PTO and 3 point hitch. They are good little tractors. They are a little bigger than the 8n and have plenty more power. The Oliver 550s are also great little tractors. Something to consider.



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Brian in NY

10-02-2006 11:48:55




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 Re: What small tractor to get? in reply to dpski, 10-02-2006 10:32:23  
I am a Farmall guy, and thus predjudiced toward the B or A. I agree though that the lack of a 3 point hitch could make brush hogging in a small field a chore--I brush hog with a pull type rotary cutter and believe me you have to be creative in small areas.
That said, I would strongly consider a Massey Ferguson 35. They are one heck of a tractor (you can get either gas or diesel), I have logged a lot of seat time on one and really think I should have one myself.
Just another idea to think about.

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jmixigo

10-02-2006 10:59:38




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 Re: What small tractor to get? in reply to dpski, 10-02-2006 10:32:23  
I admit to having a deep prejudice for the old Fords. They sell good too if you ever want to get rid of it. NOT the world's best loader tractor but America's most popular used tractor--for good reason.
With all that said, most ever body in the tractor business wus makin good uns through the 50's. If it don't have a 3 point lift you just have to find compatable implements (trail behind rotary cutters are common enough).
BE AWARE this site is addictive!
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glennster

10-02-2006 10:44:58




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 Re: What small tractor to get? in reply to dpski, 10-02-2006 10:32:23  
judging from what your needs are , i would go for the ford with the 3 point. altho i am a red fan, the 3 point will give you many options for use, if the tractor has a loader, even better. they are easy tractors to work on, low to the ground,( a little harder to tip over) and parts are readily available. be sure the tractor has a power take off shaft to drive your mower. i almost bought one a while back, nice tractor, loader, 3 point.....but no pto, had a cover over it.

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cj3b_jeep

10-02-2006 10:44:17




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 Re: What small tractor to get? in reply to dpski, 10-02-2006 10:32:23  
I love the AC - B, great little tracotr, easy to work on, but I'd probably buy the N. You could always sell the loader to pay for some parts. I say the N because of the three point and PTO plus it's easy and cheap to get parts for it.



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