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Tim, Ohio

09-28-2006 08:52:23




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Hello Everyone,

Just wondered if anyone could give me some tips on construction of a pole barn on concrete
pilings. I am beginning process of planning for a 30 x 40 x 12'high pole building.

The plan is to drill 18" holes to a depth
of 36". Fill them with concrete up to grade, then galvanized post anchors
will be lag bolted into the concrete pilings.
The posts will set on these and diagonal bracing
will be installed between the poles for strength
(since they will not be below grade). It is obvious the concrete will have to be low enough
to allow the bottom girt to go to grade. I am
not concerned about grass growing up to the side
of building. A foot or so will have screanings and possibly gravel up to the outside of the building. One of my concerns is the size of lumber to use for diagonal bracing. Will 2x4 lumber be strong enough or should I go to 2x6?
The poles will be 8' OC so the diagonals will
have to be 14.4' long. Those long 2x4's seem
to flex a lot. Any input appreciated.

Tim, Ohio

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Mike M

09-28-2006 11:50:12




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 Re: pole barn on pilings in reply to Tim, Ohio, 09-28-2006 08:52:23  
Why not just put the ploes into the ground ???



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Tim, Ohio

09-28-2006 11:15:21




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 Re: pole barn on pilings in reply to Tim, Ohio, 09-28-2006 08:52:23  
Everyone,

Thanks for your comments. To answer a few questions: The diameter of the pilings is
18". The depth of the pilings is 36" according
to frost line at 30" in my area. As for the materials, the tin will all be 29 gauge. There will only be 2x4 purlins on the walls and
roof. This is a kit for a 30 x 40 building
and these are the materials being furnished.
I plan to take my plans to the permit police for their approval, even though I am building this myself. I figure they won't have much
to say since I live in the country and my structure will be in the middle of my property.
I assume they just want to make sure of how
much value I add to my realestate so the revenuers get their tax dollars.

The bracing I had in mind would go diagonally from the bottom of one pole across to the top of the other pole, just below the girder. In addition, I plan to run short bracing from between
the two top girders diagonally to the poles.
This might be overkill, but if I figure I will
have a bit of scrap lumber to use up.

Thanks,

Tim, Ohio

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EVILBOWEVIEL

09-28-2006 11:36:42




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 Re: pole barn on pilings in reply to Tim, Ohio, 09-28-2006 11:15:21  
where in Ohio??
I am in Lancaster
Ron



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Tim, Ohio

09-28-2006 11:42:25




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 Re: pole barn on pilings in reply to EVILBOWEVIEL, 09-28-2006 11:36:42  
Ron,

I am up near Brownsville, off 668.

Tim, Ohio



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TomIN

09-28-2006 10:47:36




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 Re: pole barn on pilings in reply to Tim, Ohio, 09-28-2006 08:52:23  
I was researching the use of concrete piers and ran across this interesting article that explains several alternatives


http://www.permacolumn.com/images/Rural_Builder_Concrete_Piers.pdf#search=%22concrete%20pier%20post%20frame%22



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Bill in NorthCentral Pa

09-28-2006 10:44:40




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 Re: pole barn on pilings in reply to Tim, Ohio, 09-28-2006 08:52:23  
Questions or points to ponder:

1. With that width, assuming concrete floor and acceptable site, stick framed on a monolithic slab would probably be cheaper / nicer / better.

2. Usually for this type of construction, 29 gauge siding is used. I would investigate a steel "T" bracing for your diagonals. You would install all of your girts and then sawcut a diagonal line across the girts. The "T" fits into this slot and provides an exceptional bracing. The steel barcing provides an enormous amount of bracing when screwed in the flats. I align the sheets and predrill a small hole to keep the screws in line.

3. I'm sure that there is alot more, if you have questions, feel free to contact me.

Good luck,

Bill

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Lou

09-28-2006 10:35:52




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 Re: pole barn on pilings in reply to Tim, Ohio, 09-28-2006 08:52:23  
Hi Tim, I buildt a 36x60 pole barn about 8 years back. dug down 4 ft put in sona tubes, the paper tubes, filled them with concrete and set the brackets to hold 6x6 posts in the concrete. My 6x6 s are 18 ft tall and we used 1x6 ruff cut sheeting every 4 ft as nailers. We have some 2x4s as cross bracing, but the nailers do more good. IMHO Good luck.



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Leland

09-28-2006 10:01:49




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 Re: pole barn on pilings in reply to Tim, Ohio, 09-28-2006 08:52:23  
Sound like a good idea but I think you need to go at least 24" deeper on piers to get below the frost line so you don't have to worry about any frost heave .



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Walter Squires

09-28-2006 09:50:11




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 Re: pole barn on pilings in reply to Tim, Ohio, 09-28-2006 08:52:23  
Save yourself a lot of problems, check your local building codes and will you need a building permit. Had a local equipment dealer pour a concrete slab for a building a while back and when the building inspector came out it didn't meet code, about 180 yards went to the dump.



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jmixigo

09-28-2006 09:34:51




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 Re: pole barn on pilings in reply to Tim, Ohio, 09-28-2006 08:52:23  
First, unless a local code required it I would raise the bottom and lower the top attachment points just a bit so you could use 12 ft lumber.
Then use 2X4 scrap as blocking to form an X brace. This will eliminate much of the flex.
What you plan to cover it with will also affect how much braceing you'll need. 26 ga. metal needs all the help it can get, 3/4" OSB or plywood based products don't need as much help to get a sturdy building.
I have seen old barns here abouts that were built on set stones where they used 2X12 top girts, braced off with a 3 or 4 ft 2X4 and that was all the braceing they had. It didn't look all that stout to me but the barn wus still in use an 70 years old.

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Nebraska Cowman

09-28-2006 09:22:59




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 Re: pole barn on pilings in reply to Tim, Ohio, 09-28-2006 08:52:23  
I don't think you need that kind of bracing. What kind of sidings are you using? Ribbed steel? That will add a lot of bracing. Look around at other pole bulidings in your area and brace likewise. Putting the poles on cement won't change muct. That dirt on the bottom of the pole realy don't brace much. Try building a fence and see how much the posts hold without bracing.



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