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Wayne in Tx

09-16-2006 04:53:45




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I have/had a Dodge 1500 pickup (1996,318,auto). My wife was driving it this week stopped at store and it wouldn't restart and stay running - had it towed to a local shop. They diagnosed the problem as a bad fuel pump which they replaced. The fuel pump was $448.00 and their labor was $220.00. More than I would have liked to spend but I was on a business trip and wasn't there to handle it myself.

Within 30 miles the truck caught fire and burned because of a fuel leak. The fire started in engine compartment on the left side where the fuel line connects, the fire burned so hot it melted all of hoses, rims etc.. Talked with shop owner, he doesn't think it could have been related to their work since the fuel pump is located in the fuel tank behind the cab. I have no reason to doubt him but, it seems like quite coincidence that the fire ocurred so shortly after they worked on the fuel system.

No-one was hurt, no property damage (except truck) and truck had over 220k miles. The owner refunded his labor and is checking with the part manufacture for refund. I had liability on the truck so the truck loss (maybe $2000 - $2500) is mine. I am not a law suit type guy but, should I push on the shop owner and his insurance company or just walk away and chalk it up to misfortune? I am extremely thankful that my wife, who had picked the truck up and was driving it home from the shop, was not hurt and that no property was damaged.

Thanks for your thoughts!

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john in la

09-16-2006 13:10:25




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 Re: OT - Truck fire in reply to Wayne in Tx, 09-16-2006 04:53:45  
Since you do not have comp insurance you have a uphill battle because you would need to prove that the fire was caused by shop neglect or poor workmanship.
You would have the benifit on your side because they had just worked on the fuel system.

Your truck (did not say cab type) per NADA is worth $4400+.

I think where the shop went wrong was refunding your money for repairs. Pretty much seams like he thinks it may have been his fault.

I would tell the shop owner you want to file a claim with his insurance. They may just pay you; they may want to fight it. Then you can decide if you want to sue based on their responce.

Glad everyone is safe.

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John17

09-16-2006 09:16:23




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 Re: OT - Truck fire in reply to Wayne in Tx, 09-16-2006 04:53:45  
I am the manager of a shop that would perform such tasks. I think you need to press the shop owner on this a little bit. I just split the cost on an overhaul of a corvette engine, because there was gray areas as to the responsibilities. When in doubt, I always find for the customer. In this case it would be you. He should at least refund all of the bill that you just payed. JohnG



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T_Bone

09-16-2006 08:44:39




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 Re: OT - Truck fire in reply to Wayne in Tx, 09-16-2006 04:53:45  
Hi Wayne,

Your out of luck here.

The shop owner/mechanic would have to intentionaly set your truck on fire in order to collect from the shop.

Think about that for a minute. If wasn't that way you couldn't get anyone to work on your brakes, or work on your home, etc.

The mechanic is even allowed to make mistakes while making the repair that caused your truck to burn without any libility on his part as he made his best effort to make the correct repair.

Ask your insurrance agent about buying insurrance to protect yourself in case some company you hire gets hurt while working on your property. If he's a good agent he'll tell you you don't need that type of insurrance as you have no libility to that person. The company who the person works for has that libility.

I worked in the service field for 40yrs and had one claim that caused injury to the building owner and didn't get sued. The only claim I ever had but one was enough.

In any event, I would be shocked if a court would order more than a $1000 for your loss. To old, too many miles to have a higher resale to the truck market even tho your "baby" was destroyed.

T_Bone

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Formerly PaMike

09-16-2006 06:57:49




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 Re: OT - Truck fire in reply to Wayne in Tx, 09-16-2006 04:53:45  
My guess is that they pulled a fuel line off up front to check if they had fuel pressure.When they didnt have pressure they probably put the line back on but didnt clamp it down. They then went to the back of the truck to work on the pump. I would explain that theory to the owner of the shop, and ask for the pump refund. If he wont give it to you just walk away. No reason to make an enemy over a truck with 200K on it.

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dr.sportster

09-16-2006 06:54:05




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 Re: OT - Truck fire in reply to Wayne in Tx, 09-16-2006 04:53:45  
How would you prove it was caused by them?Who is the burden of proof on?Lawyer money is probably wasted money.Perhaps Dr.Z from Daimler-Chrysler will know what to do.



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the tractor vet

09-16-2006 06:44:34




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 Re: OT - Truck fire in reply to Wayne in Tx, 09-16-2006 04:53:45  
Well now, Would not suprise me if the fuel pump relay stuck and since itis in a plastic case and mounted in plastic that started the fire and vary well could have been because of tomuch draw from the fuel pump . A few years back i was delivering a tractor to a farmer and the fuel pump relay stuck on my 88 ford 350 and caught fire and we were there tryen to put it out as i had just had a ton of work done on that truck by a Ford dealer and realy did like it , if my buddy was not along we would have lost the truck and a vary good chance that it would have taken the farmers dairy barn with it as it was REAL close to the barn and milk house . If my buddy would not have cut the pos. battey cable we would not have been able to get it out as the fire was getting real close to the fuel lines , every time i would think we had it out while the battey was still hooked up she would restart and the fuel pumps were running and on a 460 she carried over 40 lbs of fuel pressure . That littel fire cost almost 8000 to fix the damage .

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RB/CT

09-16-2006 05:44:55




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 Re: OT - Truck fire in reply to Wayne in Tx, 09-16-2006 04:53:45  
The bright sideis that you got 220k out of the truck. That is a long way for a fuel pump to go. It probably is not related although if the insurance company cares,(which they wont) they would find out. Maybe a craked or rusted out fuel line. the owner of the shop was pretty fair, dont think that would happen around here. Good luck with next truck purchase, deals are out there on new stuff.



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MarkB_MI

09-16-2006 05:13:13




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 Re: OT - Truck fire in reply to Wayne in Tx, 09-16-2006 04:53:45  
Sounds like you might have a chance in small claims court. But you need proof that the fire was somehow related to the work they did. A coincidence isn't good enough, especially on a ten year old vehicle.

I don't believe that the fire was related to the actual replacement of the pump. After all, the pump is in the fuel tank. But is it possible that the fuel pump was good and the engine quit because of the leak? More likely that they took loose a fitting at the engine to check fuel pump pressure and damaged the fuel line or fitting in the process. Can you tell where the leak started? Was it a crack in a fuel line? Or a broken hose?

I think you've got a uphill battle, but if you can prove that they broke something, you have a chance.

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Wayne in Tx

09-16-2006 05:50:28




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 Re: OT - Truck fire in reply to MarkB_MI, 09-16-2006 05:13:13  
Hard to tell the fire was hot enough to heat the metal braided line to a point that if you touch it crumbles so it is laying in several pieces on top of the engine.

I believe that when they did their diagnosis/testing that they had lines disconnected. Like folks have said it is a 10 year old truck, first time any work done on the fuel system probably a lot brittle/cracked lines.



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IaGary

09-16-2006 05:09:46




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 Re: OT - Truck fire in reply to Wayne in Tx, 09-16-2006 04:53:45  
If your insurance is paying let them decide if they want to go after the money.

If you had done the pump yourself, which you might have had you been home,the same thing could have happened and who to blame then.

Insurance might have said were not going to pay because you caused the problem yourself.

Gary



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Wayne in Texas

09-16-2006 05:56:26




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 Re: OT - Truck fire in reply to IaGary, 09-16-2006 05:09:46  
No insurance the truck was old enough that I only carried liability on it, my decision not to insure my risk! Can't blame the shop for that!

I agree with your point, whenever you work on old automobiles/equipment alot of things can go wrong that "had nothing to do" with what you worked on.



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Nebraska Cowman

09-16-2006 05:00:59




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 Re: OT - Truck fire in reply to Wayne in Tx, 09-16-2006 04:53:45  
like an old weak line and the new pump put more pressure on it that the old one? I'd say you are on your own on that one.



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RAW in IA

09-16-2006 05:00:58




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 Re: OT - Truck fire in reply to Wayne in Tx, 09-16-2006 04:53:45  
I think I would at least talk to a lawyer about it. They had to take the line loose to check fuel pressure, so the fact that the pump is at the other end of the truck doesn,t fly, to me.



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RustyFarmall

09-16-2006 07:19:58




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 Re: OT - Truck fire in reply to RAW in IA, 09-16-2006 05:00:58  
I have to agree that it still comes back to the shop that did the work. Makes no difference that the new pump was installed at the other end of the truck, the shop was still obligated to make sure all was well under the hood, and the hood had to be raised in order for them to properly diagnose the faulty fuel pump. I wouldn't let the shop off that easily.



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