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I need help with tractor purchase. Mowing 7 acres!

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AceandGary

09-12-2006 19:57:48




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I recently purchased 7 acres that will be the future site of my families home. It is being tended by a farmer now, but when my home is built I plan to have seven acres of lawn to mow. I am wet behind the ears when it comes to tractors, so I'm posting this to get some help. I would like to think I could mow this with the right eqiptment in about an hour (minus trim work). Through my research on the web, I'm thinking about a rear implemented mower (around 72") rear discharge. My question is what kind of tractor to purchase. It would primarly be used for mowing, but also using a box blade, maybe a small bush hog. Also I think I would rather buy a used tractor at a more affordable price. What do I need to look for in a good used tractor. How many hours is to many hours.

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RAB

09-13-2006 12:05:27




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 Re: I need help with tractor purchase. Mowing 7 ac in reply to AceandGary, 09-12-2006 19:57:48  
C"mon lads. We don"t know anything about this. I am reckoning his frontage is about twenty feet and the house is about a mile from the road, so he should be able to do it with one stripe up each side of the drive with a push-mower. No tractor needed!!!!

7 acre site will not need 7 acre mowing. Until I knew more, I would hang tight before going OTT on time, sizes or power required. Lets see a plan of the site first.
Regards, RAB

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Badly Bent

09-13-2006 10:56:31




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 Re: I need help with tractor purchase. Mowing 7 ac in reply to AceandGary, 09-12-2006 19:57:48  
I see you've had plenty of advice, both helpful and critical. I mow about 3-4 acres on my property with a MF 135 and a 72" rear discharge Woods mower. I love the tractor, love the mower, and love my time mowing, so I don't rush. Normally I spend about 3.5 hrs mowing with this set-up. I only have a couple of recommendations. Get a diesel with power steering if possible. Diesel will be cheaper to operate (less fuel) on an hourly basis, and the power steering, while not necessary, is extremely helpful. The down side of these two attributes are that they add to the overall cost of the tractor. My tractor has a Continental gas engine, 35 hp or so, and has no problem with the 72" mower. I think you would want 25-40 hp in your tractor as well. My MF135 is a dream of a tractor, but I did some small bushhogging the other day with a neighbor's Ford 2000 and liked it pretty well. I like my 135 because it has an exhaust that exits under the tractor which allows me to mow under some pretty low trees without damaging anything.
The bottom line is that there are numerous options and loads of choices because there are lots of tractors in that size and horsepower range. If you want to discuss them in a more detailed manner, my e-mail is open. Tim

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BobP in MN

09-13-2006 10:55:25




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 Re: I need help with tractor purchase. Mowing 7 ac in reply to AceandGary, 09-12-2006 19:57:48  
I did about the same thing as you four years ago. I bought a 1-year old JD 4100 with 54" belly mower, diesel engine, loader and hydrostatic transmission, less than 100 hours, still under warranty. If you keep the blades sharp and the grass isn't over about a foot, it easily handles top speed (about 15 mph) while doing a good job mowing. Covers a lot of ground. If your ground is rough, you will find that speed too rough on you. The tractor is a little underpowered (about 17 pto hp) for fields with thick grass that haven't been mowed in a while (like 2'-3') like I had in northern Illinois, but if the grass is shorter or if it is thinner like it is here in MN the tractor has more than enough power. Price was pretty reasonable, too (low teens). Runs almost all day on a five gallon tank.

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BobP in MN

09-13-2006 10:54:46




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 Re: I need help with tractor purchase. Mowing 7 ac in reply to AceandGary, 09-12-2006 19:57:48  
I did about the same thing as you four years ago. I bought a 1-year old JD 4100 with 54" belly mower, diesel engine, loader and hydrostatic transmission, less than 100 hours, still under warranty. If you keep the blades sharp and the grass isn't over about a foot, it easily handles top speed (about 15 mph) while doing a good job mowing. Covers a lot of ground. If your ground is rough, you will find that speed too rough on you. The tractor is a little underpowered (about 17 pto hp) for fields with thick grass that haven't been mowed in a while (like 2'-3') like I had in northern Illinois, but if the grass is shorter or if it is thinner like it is here in MN the tractor has more than enough power. Price was pretty reasonable, too (low teens). Runs almost all day on a five gallon tank.

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Tracy G

09-13-2006 10:49:57




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 Re: I need help with tractor purchase. Mowing 7 ac in reply to AceandGary, 09-12-2006 19:57:48  
I mow 4 acres weekly with a BN Farmall with a 60 Woods Belly Mower. Takes about 2 hours to include trimming. First, stay away from a rear mounted mower if you plan on mowing up close to buildings or in tight areas....the whole rig will be to long and the mower will swing out when turning and hit things as well as leave un-cut grass in the corners, a belly mounted mower will work just fine, plus you will not have to remove the mower on the rear when you want to use other rear attatchments or pull a wagon. Go with a narrow front end with smooth tires if purchasing an older tractor, will turn shorter and not tear lawn up. Terf tires are a must on the rear. If all you want to do is mow and you do not have any side hills or ditches and are willing to put up with bare spots in the lawn where the inside tire drags get a zero turn. I have a fair amount of tree, shrubs, lawn ornaments ect to mow around install a ground level barrier (mulch, rock, bricks etc) to cut down on the trimming and eliminates tight corners. I cannot brag enough about the woods belly mower it will cut 2 ft high grass out in the timber and groom your front lawn as good as my neighbors $10K John Deere. I have $2500 in my BN to include belly mower. I also use the chemical round up to help eliminate trimming. If you have more money to spend than I did get a Kubota Diesel w/ belly mower, it will have 3 pt hitch, hydraulics, power steering, live PTO, and a soft seat.

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Trapleft

09-13-2006 09:53:14




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 Re: I need help with tractor purchase. Mowing 7 ac in reply to AceandGary, 09-12-2006 19:57:48  
Another tractor to consider might be the IH offset tractors(Super A, Farmall 140, etc.) IMHO thses tractors have good power, are reliable and easy to maintain. The are gas powered but would not be too hard on fuel consumption for most work. Typicaly the tractor has a lift under the belly for cultivators and the like, as well as a rear lift. The rear lift can be either 3pt or fast hitch. Some companys (Agri-Supply) still make fast hitch implements for these tractors, or there are many places to get 3pt conversions. The belly lift would allow you to use a belly mounted mower if you like. With the cultivators it will also help you grow a mean garden! The only two drawbacks are there is no live PTO, and I don"t think it would be that practical to try to fit a loader. We tended to around six acres of property(mowing, discing, grading, etc.)for many years with a Farmall 140. Good luck and have fun!

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John (MO)

09-13-2006 07:43:18




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 Re: I need help with tractor purchase. Mowing 7 ac in reply to AceandGary, 09-12-2006 19:57:48  
Not having any idea what kind of money you are willing to spend, there isn't much way to be too specific about makes and models of tractors to consider. However, there are certain features that I think you will want or need. I would suggest you consider tractors of around 30 hp, they have the power to do lots of things and also have the weight to accomplish these tasks. Sometimes is is actually cheaper to buy even larger tractors, because the 30 hp range tractors are so popular. You will want either life or independent power to the tractors PTO and hydraulics. So older tractors do not have this. In other words when you use a clutch to stop the tractors movement, you will cut all power to what ever implement you are using. With live or independent power, you will have either a 2 stage foot clutch or some sort of hand clutch that will allow you to stop the tractors forward (or rearward) movement while still allowing the PTO and or hydraulics to continue to work. In my opinion this is a must have item. Something else you will want is a 3 point hitch system to be able to use modern equipment. Lots of older tractors did not originally have a 3 point hitch system, but had some other hitch system that was unique to their brand. Almost all these tractors have been or can be converted to 3 point hitch, so just make sure that is an option if it hasn't already been done. There is nothing at all wrong with most of these other systems of hitches that tractors used. They work fine with equipment that was designed for it. Today however you can`t buy new equipment like a finish mower that will fit many of these other hitch systems. If you find a tractor that has a conversion that allows both the use of it`s hitch system as well as 3 point equipment that would be a fine choice, because you can often buy older equipment for very little money. Also, try out and make sure what ever you want to buy is in good condition and that everything about it works as it should. Hire someone with more experience to help you with this is if necessary, it will save you lots of money in the long run. Tractors 50 or more years old can be fine usable equipment it they have been taken care of or fixed up well, if not they are constant headaches and bottomless money pits. Let me give you one example of a brand that can be a good buy and that has some of the features you will want. The D series Allis Chalmers tractors came out in the late 1950`s. There are models from about 20 hp up to 60 or more hp: D-10, D-12, D-14, D-15, D-17, D-19... Most of these models came with an Allis Chalmers hitch system called a snap coupler, and there were all sorts of implements made for these tractors and this hitch. It is very simple to put a few extra pieces onto the drawbars and lift arms of these tractors so than they can use not only the snap coupler implements but 3 point equipment as well. These Allis Chalmers tractors have what is called a power director. It is basically a shift on the go, high/low range secondary transmission. With the power director you put the transmission into one of the 4 forward gears and you have a high side of that gear and a low side that you can switch between on the go. You also have a neutral in each of the 4 main gears that you can go to without touching the foot clutch. This neutral allows your mower or other PTO powered tool to continue to get power from the tractor and do it`s job while the tractor stops it`s forward motion. Same deal with the hydraulics. You can stop the tractor, raise or lower your mower and start again without touching the main foot clutch. Many other brands of tractors have different types of hand clutches or foot clutches that will allow pretty much the same control. I think you should be able to find tractors from around $1000 to the sky as a limit, that can do what you will want to do. Just make sure you know what features any tractor you look at either has or can have and what condition it really is in, before you buy.

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AceandGary

09-13-2006 09:02:01




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 First constructive response! in reply to John (MO), 09-13-2006 07:43:18  
Its about time someone was willing to help rather then being so critical. I 've read alot of the responces and realize that mowing all of this in an hour would be pretty unreasonable, but as an earlier response noted, it wouldn't be a total of seven acres. You would have the house, barn, and driveway taking up some space. I grew up in an agricultural community, but I am not a farmer and neither were any of my family members. I've driven tractors before, but was just trying to pick the brains of people who would obviously know more about this stuff than I would. I appreciate all the responses, Thanks for the help!

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John (MO)

09-13-2006 11:55:46




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 I appreciate that in reply to AceandGary, 09-13-2006 09:02:01  
Thanks



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KRUSS

09-13-2006 07:03:54




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 Re: I need help with tractor purchase. Mowing 7 ac in reply to AceandGary, 09-12-2006 19:57:48  
Now just hold on a minute here. By my calculations 7 acres is about 590 ft x 590 ft. That is .11 miles x .11 miles. Figuring in some overlap and turning time this will take a minimum of three hours (4 mph) no breaks for anything. 4 mph is moving right along with a mower. Means you have to be going 6 mph half the time because lots of places 2 will be fast enough. You want to do this in an hour, so all you will need is about 20 FEET of mower and a tractor to pull it. Should only cost about as much as your house!!!!!

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Alkay

09-13-2006 06:28:07




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 Re: I need help with tractor purchase. Mowing 7 ac in reply to AceandGary, 09-12-2006 19:57:48  
I mow about 5 acres with a John Deere 435 and a 72" finish mower. Takes around 2 1/2 to 3 hours to do it all. I wouldn't want to do it any faster! This is my "quiet" time, just me and the tractor with no other distractions. In my opinion you don't need to see how fast you can get it mowed. Enjoy the freedom of the outdoors.



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Do the math

09-13-2006 06:07:56




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 Re: I need help with tractor purchase. Mowing 7 ac in reply to AceandGary, 09-12-2006 19:57:48  
To mow 7 acres in one hour with a 72" mower you'd need to average 10 MPH. That's with no allowance for turns or dodging trees, house, driveway, ect. Also no allowance for any over-lap. Figure at least 20% for all thos allowances. You'd need closer to 12 MPH. That's not fast for your car driving down the interstate. That's Daytona 500 stuff for a tractor with a rear mounted mower. 1 hour would be pushing it even with most ZTR commercial mowers. Downright impossible with a tractor and 6' finish mower

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VADAVE

09-13-2006 05:49:56




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 Re: I need help with tractor purchase. Mowing 7 ac in reply to AceandGary, 09-12-2006 19:57:48  
I'm with Evilboweviel!
You'll never finish mow that much grass without a Zeroturn Commerical Mower. X-MARK makes a nice 72" ZTR, diesel engine cost about $15,000.
By-the-way if you bought 7 acres four a house and outbuildings you won't have seven acres to mow--the house takes up some.
Also remember you moved to the country and the farmer was there first. When he wakes you up at dawn plowing down your fence line, or spreads manure and it smells it's part of being ion the country. If you don't like it either buy more ground or MOVE!

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AceandGary

09-13-2006 08:49:17




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 Re: I need help with tractor purchase. Mowing 7 ac in reply to VADAVE, 09-13-2006 05:49:56  
There are no more fields around this land. It has already been developed.



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EVILBOWEVIEL

09-13-2006 05:35:47




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 Re: I need help with tractor purchase. Mowing 7 ac in reply to AceandGary, 09-12-2006 19:57:48  
THAT MUCH GRASS IN AN HOUR TAKES A COMMERCIAL ZERO TURN!!

you are not going to mow that much with a 72" rear discharge on a tractor. We never got there running 90" on tractors, would take about 180" batwing finish and then not if any trees.

a good commercial zero turn will do that trees or not. However one from Home DePot, Lowes, Tsc will not and it will not last any time.

Ron



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Dachshund

09-13-2006 05:32:25




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 Re: I need help with tractor purchase. Mowing 7 ac in reply to AceandGary, 09-12-2006 19:57:48  
I have a 1949 8N I use for most things around here. I have 101 acres - mow about 5 around the buildings. Mow several more forhay. I plow, brush hog, cultivate, plant, PHD, just about everything but loader work with the old gal. I have other, bigger, tractors, but the 8N gets the most work done around here. Non-live PTO and hydraulics don't bother me - it's what I grew up with. Oh yeah - it's a gasser and is CHEAP, to run!

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Craig in MO

09-13-2006 00:59:47




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 Re: I need help with tractor purchase. Mowing 7 ac in reply to AceandGary, 09-12-2006 19:57:48  
I use my 1948 Ferguson TE20 for mowing and love it. Cheap, dependable, did I mention cheap.



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woodache

09-12-2006 22:09:36




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 DIESEL ONLY!!Re:I need help with tractor purchase. in reply to AceandGary, 09-12-2006 19:57:48  
here is a list of tractors that would be good for such a size but you wont mow in 7 acres in an hour! You dosay whether it groomed or rough
Here is a list of tractors that can be bought for under $3500. Make sure that you buy a DIESEL as gassers just cost to much to run these days even on 7 Acres specialy if you start moving dirt.

Ford 800 900 4000 2000
Massey Ferguson 35 or 135
Fordson Dexta only a couple of hese have power steering some will have live power a must for mowing not all are strictly diesel so check that all have a cat 1 steering. Stay away from the John Deere 1010 diesel bum engine from new. 1015 or 1020 is OK but expensive for what you get. A loader would be nice and should have its own Hyd pump power down and hyd dump.
All these have parts available. Except the Dexta but is a very good tractor with little maintence when in decent shape. Have a independent mechanic look at what you are buying first. As much repair to any of these can cost bigtime.

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CLW

09-12-2006 21:01:56




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 Re: I need help with tractor purchase. Mowing 7 ac in reply to AceandGary, 09-12-2006 19:57:48  
Before you buy used, which I don't have any problem with, go to a Kubota, John Deere and New Holland dealer and check out there package deals. Usually has a 20 to 30 hp tractor with mower and loader. You would get new and not have to worry about repairs for a few years. They also hold there resale value good. I have seen these in the $12,000-15,000 range and you should get many, many trouble free years from them.

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Dave in Tx

09-12-2006 20:58:39




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 Re: I need help with tractor purchase. Mowing 7 ac in reply to AceandGary, 09-12-2006 19:57:48  
If you are set on mowing seven acres, consider a wam{wide area mower}. I have a 16 ft 580D toro that i can mow 10 acres an hour with if it doesn't have too many trees. Keen outfit.



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JT

09-13-2006 09:57:12




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 Re: I need help with tractor purchase. Mowing 7 ac in reply to Dave in Tx, 09-12-2006 20:58:39  
And at about $80,000.00 new?



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Paul Shuler

09-12-2006 20:37:13




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 Re: I need help with tractor purchase. Mowing 7 ac in reply to AceandGary, 09-12-2006 19:57:48  
I mow 8 acres with a belly mower in 4th gear on a farmall H. Thats clipping along at a pretty good pace and it takes in the 6 to 8 hour range to mow. I don't mind it cause it's my therapy. I think to do it in 1 hour you would need a Nascar tractor.



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led

09-12-2006 20:31:13




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 Re: I need help with tractor purchase. Mowing 7 ac in reply to AceandGary, 09-12-2006 19:57:48  
Need a little more info ??
What type of ground? Timber, pasture, Cropland Hills & ditches ? Consider wide front end.
Some older tractors don"t have hour meters.
Some tractors have High Hours, but have been overhauled. 3 point hitch, a must if you don"t want to drag around an implement that you can"t back it.
HTH

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Leland

09-12-2006 20:27:45




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 Re: I need help with tractor purchase. Mowing 7 ac in reply to AceandGary, 09-12-2006 19:57:48  
That is insane just put 1 or 2 in grass and let the rest become wild life habit all you are going to be doing is mowing if you don't



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Anti sprawl

09-13-2006 04:17:21




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 Re: I need help with tractor purchase. Mowing 7 ac in reply to Leland, 09-12-2006 20:27:45  
None of my business and you can do whatever you want to with your own land, but what a tragic waste of good farmland. Seven acres could produce a magnificent garden to feed your whole family with enough left over to sell to the local farmer's market. Add a nice flock of chickens or a few sheep or a couple of steers and you've got meat for the freezer. Instead, now the neighborhood will have a seven acre lawn. Sad.

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Dave 2n

09-13-2006 08:26:59




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 Re: I need help with tractor purchase. Mowing 7 ac in reply to Anti sprawl, 09-13-2006 04:17:21  
Depends on your pointof view; maybe he wants a nice lawn instead of animals to to take care of every day and clean up after.



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AceandGary

09-13-2006 04:51:47




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 Re: I need help with tractor purchase. Mowing 7 ac in reply to Anti sprawl, 09-13-2006 04:17:21  
This is always an option... I just want to keep it managed and not just let it go unattended and look bad. I'm sure I will probably have a small garden and a few chickens. The steers I guess would be pretty low maintanence once you put a fence up? I don't know... so many options. Plus I'm in a the towns zoning district, so I don't know if I could put cattle there or not.



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Charlie in NY

09-13-2006 12:23:58




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 Re: I need help with tractor purchase. Mowing 7 ac in reply to AceandGary, 09-13-2006 04:51:47  
I'm with Leland on this. My property is 20 acres. I'd mow around the house and garage/lawn with a small riding mower - $200 to $300 for sale along the road most neighboorhoods - and, in your case, put the other 6-1/2 acres to meadow until the trees get established. I have 25 chickens in a 60 x 30 ft enclosure that they keep groomed (now mowing needed) and a couple garden spots of about 1/4 acre each. I rotary cut maybe two acres (which contains the two gardens) and the other 17 acres are my woodlot for the Royall furnace/water heater and "hunting preserve". A Ford 640 (similar to the "N" series) is well and plenty for all of my plowing, mowing, lifting, scraping and dragging
needs. Once the gardens are plowed and planted I cultivate with a Troy-Bilt Horse. I could get by a long time with that and a 14 Hp lawn tractor, but the 640 is just more fun; though it consumes about as much work as it saves for my needs. It goes places a lawn tractor (or conventional 4X4 on/off road vehicle) never could.

Lawn is sterile and no better than desert, IMHO.

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