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John S-B

09-12-2006 11:53:53




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Thinking about restoring my '95 2500 dodge and adding some aftermarket options to give the engine more power. Has anyone used Gail Banks, Bully Dog or any other brand of add on engine options? What kind of results did you get and do you like the performance. I'd appreciate any experiences you guys have had, Thanks John S-B.




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ncdiesel48

09-12-2006 18:43:03




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 Re: OT, diesel truck engine add ons in reply to John S-B, 09-12-2006 11:53:53  
Fuel plate, exhaust and intake. The 12 valves will scream. I have a 24 valve will a few mods and the lists keep getting longer. It is really nice when you have a load behind you. Just remember its addictive, once you start you will just want more. Alot of knowledge over on the tdr website from mild to wild. Also stay away from banks There products will void the warranty....been there done that. They are overpriced and dont produce as good of results.

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26Red

09-12-2006 15:02:54




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 Re: OT, diesel truck engine add ons in reply to John S-B, 09-12-2006 11:53:53  
Check out the TDR board for the second generation 12-valve engines- lots of good ways to get some giddup into your dodge.

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jmixigo

09-12-2006 14:51:26




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 Re: OT, diesel truck engine add ons in reply to John S-B, 09-12-2006 11:53:53  
Those motors can be made to scream. The weakest link in the engine will prolly be head bolts.
But the weakest link in the truck is the auto transmission or the stock clutch. The automatics were detuned from the factory cause a the weak sister overdrive unit in the tranny. Parts are now available to cure these ills, but you need to start there. I've delt with Bully Dog and Gale Banks through the shop where I work. Both are good. Banks is prolly a bit better but it'll cost more too.
Buy a "kit" every thing from one supplier. Then if you want more upgrade from the same supplier.
Hoss power cost money how fast can ya afford to go?

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Jerry/MT

09-12-2006 14:16:21




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 Re: OT, diesel truck engine add ons in reply to John S-B, 09-12-2006 11:53:53  
I looked at a lot of stuff for my Powerstroke and was convinced that the Banks kits were the best engineered add on for diesels. They do a lot of work to make sure that the engine temps stay within the component limits and your warranty will not be invalidated. I never ended up buying any but if I was to do it, I would buy it from Banks.
Jerry/MT
A former aircraft propulsion engineer for 34+ years. (PS I don't work for Banks or have stock in the company. I just studied what they do with there various kits.)

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in-too-deep

09-12-2006 15:29:43




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 Re: OT, diesel truck engine add ons in reply to Jerry/MT, 09-12-2006 14:16:21  
How the heck would add-ons not invalidate the warranty? Seems openeing the hood will ruin the warranty anymore. Hmmmm



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John S-B

09-12-2006 17:49:48




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 Re: OT, diesel truck engine add ons in reply to in-too-deep, 09-12-2006 15:29:43  
Deep, it's a '95, that ship has sailed.



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the tractor vet

09-12-2006 12:41:00




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 Re: OT, diesel truck engine add ons in reply to John S-B, 09-12-2006 11:53:53  
On mine i did the pump as far as i could got BEFORE spending any money and vary well pleased with the results. I have talked with Bruce Mulison from the old Diesel Injection which is now the NEW Pittsburg power and since i sorta know diesel it was and easy job once ya got the tamper proof screw out and removed the tamper proof cap over the high ideal screw . BTW mine is a 95 3500 4X4. Now if i was to spend some bucks i can add the 230 Hp. injectors and change the turbo around a bit and get a bunch more and never have to go to the socalled experts with there high priced stuff . Bruce has been hoppen up Cummins for many years ans is widely knowen thru the big truck comunity as the HOT ROD shop for cummins and i have delt with Bruce on my Big truck and let me tell ya that she took a back seat to NO ONE No KTA 600 could sniff her tail and NO 3408 KITTY ever came close and the DETROITS weren't enven in the running and all she was was a littel old 350 small cam before we started tweeken her and i pulled a coal bucket and never ever had a legal load on her back most times i was netting what most were grossen .

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John S-B

09-12-2006 13:49:01




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 Re: OT, diesel truck engine add ons in reply to the tractor vet, 09-12-2006 12:41:00  
I have a neighbor down the road who was a cummins mechanic and can still get parts at employee price. He is going to do the injectors for me. I still want a little more power but I don't necessarily want to wear out the tread every six months.



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ohio

09-12-2006 13:04:19




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 Re: OT, diesel truck engine add ons in reply to the tractor vet, 09-12-2006 12:41:00  
bruce's advice has also yeilded thousands of of pounds of scrap.:^)



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the tractor vet

09-12-2006 13:45:01




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 Re: OT, diesel truck engine add ons in reply to ohio, 09-12-2006 13:04:19  
Well all i can say is that the only problem i had was head gskts and head bolts and she ran fine for the last six years that i had her and the dodge is doing fine other then the ft. wheel bearings and that is not Bruces fault or the blowen rear brake line . It is like this if ya want something to go fast then ya best be prepared to waist and engine on every pass . And if you are not willing then don't go playen as when they go they go and when they GLOW they blow. And one other thing here ever since the diesel powered pick up came onto the sean just how many of you guys realy know how to run a diesel . Do you give them warm up time and do you let the turbo cool down before shut down . Everybody wants more and they think that they should have 500 HP. in a pick up and 1350 FT. LBS or toqure well first off the dire line was not made for that so the first thing ya find out is that the clutch will slip thru or ya can't keep a slush box under it but ya still want more . Like my buddy was cryen about the muffler rusten off his dodge so instead of spending 85 buck for a new muffler he goes and spend big buck on this noise oversized aftermarket thing that is suppose to up the fuel milage and the only thing that it has done is put big bucks into some one elses pocket made his turk so noisey that ya can hear him comming 5 miles away and forget about driving with the windows down and i asked him if he was getting the fuel milage that the guy that slod it to him clamed his answer was NO. nochange in milage. So as far as Bruce maken lots of scrap metal what about the rest of the performace sene like Hypermax Bully dog Riverside and the list goes on ya push something past the design point first off the life of the engine goes down go a bunch more and maybe he will puck a rod out the side go enough it may throw the crank out the pan . Heck i can make your Farmall run lkie a scauled dog but the warranty is 10 feet or 10 seconds past the door or i can make it run better then what it was before and last several thousand hours. YOUR choise.

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ohio

09-13-2006 01:24:36




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 Re: OT, diesel truck engine add ons in reply to the tractor vet, 09-12-2006 13:45:01  
i should have been a little clearer. if you foul up your pickup, no big deal. if you foul up a n14 or a bc, no big deal. i can buy another for $2000. if you destroy a kta 600, you've wasted $14,000 or so. more if you melt or scatter a 3408. a 71 detroit is around $150 a hole, unless you ruin a crank. with a 12V71, 90 injectors, and twin turbos, it would equal a kt, unless you have the kt turned up to the point that it is going to come apart. raw fuel at an idle is a waste, and alot of "bruce's children" could't pass the smoke check. he even wrote an article on where to hide the switch, and the dot man in question thanked him! now he knows right where to look! but if you's guys are farmers, it don't matter, because most of the farmers around here run trucks that would never pass dot!

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John S-B

09-12-2006 17:55:50




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 Re: OT, diesel truck engine add ons in reply to the tractor vet, 09-12-2006 13:45:01  
Vet, I just want to put a little pep in the old girl, not looking to put it in any truck pulls or hot rod around town all the time. I plead guilty to not always warming it up first, but I am on a vol. fire dept. and sometimes you just gotta go. that's why I plug it in under 50 degrees



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the tractor vet

09-12-2006 18:02:30




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 Re: OT, diesel truck engine add ons in reply to John S-B, 09-12-2006 17:55:50  
If ya want perk it up then move the torque plate back off the aniroid and bump the RPM's up to 3000 that will put some spice in her and other then buying a new metric screw to replace the tamper proof one on the cover that is all it needs along with a valve set. I have done about ten of them for friends this way . Now for the poor guys with the 24 valve well they are at the pickens of the aftermarket . Myself i like the old , I CAN ATLEAST FIX IT WITH OUT A COMPUTER.

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ohio

09-12-2006 15:03:21




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 Re: OT, diesel truck engine add ons in reply to the tractor vet, 09-12-2006 13:45:01  
i agree. 600 horse is a good number for a kt cummins. the b's will handle an ungodly amount of abuse. 1200 out of a kt, when hooked to the ground is short lived, but fun to watch. a 12V71 at that hp range is longer lived, and cheaper. bruce seems to say really obvious stuff, but in a loud voice. his advice has cost dumb truck drivers $ in fuel and parts. cummins rated the bc's @ 400hp because that is where longevity and power were the most balanced. the kt's are nothing more than expensive hobbys, a million miles on one, (or a v12, or a 3408) would be stupid, with the price of fuel and parts. impressing your friends is fun, but it don't pay the bills.

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the tractor vet

09-12-2006 18:15:58




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 Re: OT, diesel truck engine add ons in reply to ohio, 09-12-2006 15:03:21  
With all that we did to the 350 it brought the fuel milage up and for her day getting 5.5 to 5.8 was GOOD when one was haulen 35-45 ton in the wagon and working over here in the humps and bumps . So i don't know why you have a problem with them as most of us around here has had them do one thing or other and between my two buddys and i i would have to say that we went all the way on ours with the built charges the injectors and pump work heads maifolds and cam timing and i dove mine hard . And what i liked about Bruce is that you could watch him work and he showed me how to keep it that way with his way of setting valves and injectors and that was what i did every 50000 she would get the overhead run . Now i have run the NEW high horse trucks as i was running a 550 Cat that had the BOX on it that made it to what they claimed 740 and i can tell ya this with the same weight on it as what i hauled with mine over the same roads that the 350 would have eaten it alive , and yes it do a littel better on fuel at 6.2 but was 10-15 MPH up the same hills with the same weight slower.

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Jerry Cent. Mi

09-12-2006 15:39:31




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 Re: OT, diesel truck engine add ons in reply to ohio, 09-12-2006 15:03:21  
Start with larger exhaust and gauges.



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the tractor vet

09-12-2006 17:57:07




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 Re: OT, diesel truck engine add ons in reply to Jerry Cent. Mi, 09-12-2006 15:39:31  
Now other then a pyrometer i do not see any need for any other gauges and as far as large exhaust as ya got a 3 in and a 3 out turbo now other then a free flow muffler as far as i am concerened it's a waste of money and they are to noisie .



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