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Is the solution in your faucet??

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Rauville

09-11-2006 08:46:59

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Last week the two inventors from Idaho were in town with one of their converted engines that burn a mixture of ethanol and 30% water.

Impressive, when you see them walk across the street to the grocery store, and return with a few gallons of distilled water...and dump it in the fuel tank. Engine seemed to start and run as good any.

They say to have sucessfully converted everything from lawnmowers to over-the-road trucks and airplanes to run on "hydrous ethanol".

Maybe this is the start of something big; just can't wait until gas stations start pumping water!

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JD9295

09-11-2006 15:20:11

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Re: Is the solution in your faucet?? in reply to Rauville, 09-11-2006 08:46:59

we will see h2 engines, granted not in anything needing power, but small cars yep. We generate h2 in our lab here at work, the machine is about the size of a singer sewing machine and runs on 110v. it actually produces quit a bit of H2 being we have to have it 24-7 to run the lab and its not really that expensive
soa s soon as the engine is developed--bam

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noncompos

09-11-2006 12:58:36

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Re: Is the solution in your faucet?? in reply to Rauville, 09-11-2006 08:46:59

Our history is a litany of someone figureing out how to do things "everyone knew was impossible", or "were obviously against the laws of (fill in the blank-chemistry, physics, whatever)"...as long as they're not asking us to donate money, or use our stuff for their experiments, let 'em demonstrate what they have before we laugh and call 'em nutcakes...but don't rush to invest...

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Jon Hagen

09-11-2006 11:45:04

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Re: Is the solution in your faucet?? in reply to Rauville, 09-11-2006 08:46:59

I might believe 50% ethanol / 50% water which is 100 proof moonshine will burn. Thats how they used to test the purity of booze.If it would burn,that was 100% proof that it was atleast 50% alcohol,and had not been watered down. I would bet that it would not make much power,as most of the alcohol btu's would likely be used up evaporating the 50% water portion.
I read that 90% ethanol/10% water work well in an engine designed for wet alcohol(180 proof or less). You do not have to do the difficult task of removing that last 10% water from the distilled alcohol,and they claim that the extra steam expansion of the water,more than makes up for the btu's lost in not having 100% pure ethanol. The only reason to make 100% pure ethanol is so it can be mixed with petrolium products like gasoline to make Gasahol (E10-E85).

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TomR Ont

09-11-2006 11:10:51

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Re: Is the solution in your faucet?? in reply to Rauville, 09-11-2006 08:46:59

IH2444 - Even if (big if) this is possible think of this.
Back in the '60 a guy was on TV, saying he invented a carb that he would guarantee 100 miles to the gal., he stated on the program that he would not sell it to the big oil companies of the day. I've never heard of him since.
There also were two guys a few years ago that supposedly invented cold fusion, also never heard of them since. Possible scenario for anyone that comes up with anything that the big guys don't already have the patents on will have a choice - Two tables 1st one Loaded with money, 2 nd table loaded 45, which one do you want.
There�s no free ride in this world.
I would like to understand, how so many animals could be in one place at one time to supply all the oil we use, and have used in the last 100+ years. I guess in a Million years we can tap all the present day cemeteries for oil.

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paul

09-11-2006 10:37:46

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Re: Is the solution in your faucet?? in reply to Rauville, 09-11-2006 08:46:59

Perhaps they are getting some slight steam expansion effect from the water, as the ethanol burns?

I don't doubt that the engine will run...

The difficulty is getting any efficiency & optumum power out of it. :)

--->Paul

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IH2444

09-11-2006 10:02:58

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Re: Is the solution in your faucet?? in reply to Rauville, 09-11-2006 08:46:59

I am not passing judgement yet on this. After all we proved that steel floats.

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Coloken

09-11-2006 09:55:41

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Re: Is the solution in your faucet?? in reply to Rauville, 09-11-2006 08:46:59

HERE WE GO AGAIN. yOU CAN NOT BURN WATER. WATER IS H2 THAT HAS ALL READY BEEN BURNED. It takes energy to put water back to H2. More energy (less than 100 percent effecient) that you can get when you burn the H2 again. NO IFs ANDs or maybes. A fact of nature. Any one saying other wise is fooling them selves, or trying to fool you.

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Blue3992

09-11-2006 09:31:48

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Re: Is the solution in your faucet?? in reply to Rauville, 09-11-2006 08:46:59

And if you believe that, I've got a bridge to sell!

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JayWalt

09-11-2006 09:11:48

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Re: Is the solution in your faucet?? in reply to Rauville, 09-11-2006 08:46:59

Think about it. The energy required to breakdown water will be more then the energy provided from burning the hydrogen and turning it back into water. Considering the inefficiencies of all systems, this seems to be highly inefficient from fuel to power.
Dead animals from long ago have been converted into fossil fuels from extreme heat and pressure over millions of years in the earth. When we burn them, we release this energy.

I'm sure they use some sort of catalyst to add in the breakdown of the water.
I hope as much as anyone else that we can run on water. But you do realize, either the govt will tax our odometer, raise the price of water (unlikley since its needed to survive), or do all they can to prevent this.
Right now we pay appx 41cent/gallon in taxes. I would pay a total of 1.41 (for distilled water at the pump) for fuel. I do believe the initial investment will be one of the hardest hurdles to cross, followed shortly by distilled water supplies.

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Allan In NE

09-11-2006 08:57:33

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Re: Is the solution in your faucet?? in reply to Rauville, 09-11-2006 08:46:59

What's that you say?

Water is going to $3 a gallon? :>)

Allan

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dab

09-11-2006 08:56:53

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Re: Is the solution in your faucet?? in reply to Rauville, 09-11-2006 08:46:59

I saw something like that a few weeks ago on the internet except these guys ran completely on water. Somehow they break it down and run off of the hydrogen in water.

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Vernon

09-11-2006 09:32:21

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Re: Is the solution in your faucet?? in reply to dab, 09-11-2006 08:56:53

Water can be broke down to hydogen and oxygen with a 12 volt power source. Simple and cheap process. The problem is converting the correct amount of fuel/gas for the particular size engine.

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RAB

09-11-2006 11:50:52

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Re: Is the solution in your faucet?? in reply to Vernon, 09-11-2006 09:32:21

Yep. It"s called renewable energy. You use the power of the sun TODAY, not millions of years ago when the coal and oil were just forming.
Charge the battery, electrolyse the water, use the energy from recombining the water for an engine (well maybe different oxygen molecules). OK, so every energy change loses some efficiency, but when the source is free and abundant, who cares. The whole system, apart from renewing the hardware, is sustainable. The sunlight was there anyway. Also no extra greenhouse gases produced - OK? The only reasons for not using the battery for driving an electric motor is storage capacity,weight and power output.
Thing will change. Things HAVE TO change
Regards, RAB

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Coloken

09-11-2006 10:06:08

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Re: Is the solution in your faucet?? in reply to Vernon, 09-11-2006 09:32:21

Vernon, Yes you are right--but you would be power ahead if you used the 12 volt to drive the car. The power (energy) to convert the water to hydrogen is more than the energy you would get from the hydrogen. Now if you will compute for us the cost, cost that is, of making the hydrogen by using your home power line and compare it to gas or diesel, I would be lisening. Or any other way to make H2 from a cheap power source.

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26Red

09-11-2006 10:04:55

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Re: Is the solution in your faucet?? in reply to Vernon, 09-11-2006 09:32:21

That"s right! Unfortunately H2 has less energy that gasoline, so your mileage and range are much less. It will be interesting to see what happens with fuel cell vehicles and battery technology over the next few years..

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NoahW

09-11-2006 15:52:01

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Re: Is the solution in your faucet?? in reply to 26Red, 09-11-2006 10:04:55

Water will not burn and it is not conpressable. Several piston and turbine engines use water injection to increase the compression ratio creating more horsepower. It would seem to me a blend of pure ethanol and water would create more hp/gal than straight ethanol thus giving a higher mpg. If I an wrong I am sure I will be corrected.

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