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disgusted don

09-09-2006 18:48:12




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I am a no-tiller that has a baffling situation. I am in the area of the western belt that got little rain this year. No-till should shine in this situation and I was going to be proud of it. Well as it turns out I had 2 fields that got weedy before planting and decided since the tractor and driver were doing nothing , I would put them to work on the weeds. The one field got disked and field cultivated and the other just field cultivated. These fields will probably yield 100 bushels on average and the no-till fields got put in the silo with crop adjuster pegging them at 26 bushels. My neighbor has a field next to mine that he fall ripped and field finished this spring and that corn is going to push 150 bpa. How can this go against the conventional wisdom that staying out of the field will save moisture and thus improve yields????? ???

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Leroy

09-10-2006 08:00:26




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 Re: What went wrong here? in reply to disgusted don, 09-09-2006 18:48:12  
Have seen that many a time here in Ohio, and they say notil holds the rain. We used to farm the farm next door to us and the water runnof from that place comes across us, the new owners started no tilling and when they started that we had their water runnof thru my place like we never had when it was plowed. This year one field I go by of corn every day you could count the stalks as you drove by, last year a field of soybeand same way, could count the bean stalks as you drove by after they sprayed and killed off the weeds. Here I would not use notill for anything except wheet after soybeans, but a lot are doiln it and a lot of times you can just see the poor stand next to a tilled field.

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Bill(Wis)

09-10-2006 07:37:05




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 Re: What went wrong here? in reply to disgusted don, 09-09-2006 18:48:12  
Just guessing because I am not familiar with where you're located. You probably get some snow. Also existing moisture in soil, no matter how little, freezes. At thaw time, the deep tillage, also referred to as "min-til", permits water to remain in soil structure rather than run off. As for your type of tillage, there is a saying: "spray for weeds, cultivate for corn".



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Allan In NE

09-10-2006 07:35:24




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 Re: What went wrong here? in reply to disgusted don, 09-09-2006 18:48:12  
Mornin' Don,

I hear ya and what I wouldn't give for about a 30% mix of plain old-fashioned sand. :>(

I call the soil type you are referring to as "gumbo". Like John says, it won't let the water, roots or air penetrate unless it is tilled deep, preferably in the fall.

Allan

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Bill(Wis)

09-10-2006 08:10:32




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 Re: What went wrong here? in reply to Allan In NE, 09-10-2006 07:35:24  
Allan: You're a show off. And with good reason. Regards, Bill.



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Old Pokey

09-10-2006 06:31:10




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 Re: What went wrong here? in reply to disgusted don, 09-09-2006 18:48:12  
Dunno, but I learned a long time ago that sometimes those stalks sticking up out of the ground are used as a moisture wick just as much as a shade source. Goes for wheat stubble as well.

Where you killed the growing weeds with the cultivator, you stopped the moisture useage by the weeds. If there was much weed pressure in the no-till at planting, or right after planting, that may have something to do with it too.

Where our topsoil goes several feet deep, you cant find the tile lines in the fall very well, but in the shallow topsoil, you can find the tiles lines very, very well right now. Seems the subsoils inability to allow the crop roots to penetrate for the moisture and nutrients are the culprit. But then, we raise a lot of perennial crops and our soil is obviously different.

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john *.?-!.* cub owner

09-09-2006 19:55:35




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 Re: What went wrong here? in reply to disgusted don, 09-09-2006 18:48:12  
not familar with your ground, abut around here the clay needs broken up every so often so moisture and oxygen can penetrate.



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