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jmixigo

09-06-2006 21:49:41




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Is there anyone here who breeds horses? If so what breed and what does the colt market look like right now? I've been breeding Tennesee Walkers for a while now, and routinely get about twice the stud fee for most of my colts. For the past year or so I have noticed the market softening up some and right now I can't hardly give one away.
These are good bred colts out of top produceing brood mares.
Just wondered if things was tough all over.

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hay master

09-08-2006 11:54:01




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 Re: OT do you raise horses? in reply to jmixigo, 09-06-2006 21:49:41  
My wife and I have 6 horses and 2 colts born this summer. We have our own Walker paint stud and he keeps the mares preggers. The only one of those horses I lay claim to is a 9 year old quarter horse gelding that I use for my local Sheriff's Office to ride in parades, secuirty at the county fair, search and rescue and have even used him to help protect Pres. Bush. I figured why not have them for usefull purposes instead of high priced lawn ornaments. The only way we could afford all of them is making your own hay. Time will tell what the colts will bring. One colt is a walker -racking horse paint and the other is an arab cross.
How do you attach the pics on this site?

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granger

09-07-2006 11:24:02




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 Re: OT do you raise horses? in reply to jmixigo, 09-06-2006 21:49:41  
I personally stay out of the horse business & raise bucking bulls. There is some big bucks being thrown around in the bucking bull industry!



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jmixigo

09-07-2006 08:37:49




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 Re: OT do you raise horses? in reply to jmixigo, 09-06-2006 21:49:41  
My reputation among the trainers that know me is very good. Most Walking Horse trainers say that about one colt out of ten will make a show horse. Over the past 15 years I have made good money doing this because my colts have made show horses, on average, 63% of the time.
Some times it's just better to be lucky than good.
I have one colt here now that his full brother brought over $10,000.00 as a yearling. Top bid on him at last weeks sale in Shelbyville,TN during the Celebration was $600.00. He sure is pretty standing out in my pasture and that's where he'll stay till prices go up.
I agree with a lot of what's been said about "Breeders" who cross a cull to another cull and then no one wants it-Surprise! Surprise!
These are top of the line and nobody seems to want 'em.
Seems that things ARE tough all over.

thank all of you for the responses.

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Joel Harman

09-07-2006 08:13:08




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 Re: OT do you raise horses? in reply to jmixigo, 09-06-2006 21:49:41  
Norwegian Fjords. Folks have a problem paying for the training on them.

One either pays for the training upfront, or later in the form of hospital bills.

Need a 4 yo filly started in harness?



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Mike (WA)

09-07-2006 08:04:45




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 Re: OT do you raise horses? in reply to jmixigo, 09-06-2006 21:49:41  
My wife raises Paso Finos (Spanish gaited horse)- she raises them for trail horses. Used to raise Walkers, but never could seem to get any under 16 hands, and she has a bad knee, so difficult to mount. She has been getting 2 or 3 foals a year, raising them to 3 years and training them, then sell for $3,500 to $4,000 without too much trouble. Problem is, too many horses standing around, eating and pooping, in that scenario. Now trying to sell weaned foals, and can't seem to generate much interest. They want 'em ready to ride. We do still have 3 Walkers left from the old days, and she advertised them along with the paso's- seems to be more interest in the Walkers. Time will tell, but you're not alone in having a tough time selling.

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Rauville

09-07-2006 07:47:12




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 Re: OT do you raise horses? in reply to jmixigo, 09-06-2006 21:49:41  
The only real price base to the horse business has been the slaughter market. Once that foundation dropped, the entire industry has suffered from lower prices.
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Luke S

09-07-2006 06:44:22




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 Re: OT do you raise horses? in reply to jmixigo, 09-06-2006 21:49:41  
My wife and my mother are in the horse business together. They are professionals and have made their living from the horse business their entire lives. Right now they specialize in Hunter/Jumpers, and have a big boarding/training/show barn in St.Louis. We have neer since I was a child bred a horse. Why in the heck would we want to go to the trouble when everyone else is out there breeding horses, feeds em for two years, and then sells em for $500-$1000? We have bought up to 10 well bred thorobred's at a time off the track that are maybe three or four years old and just won't make it in racing for maybe $7500-$10000 for the whole load of em. Bring em home, put 60-90 days riding on em, and some then go into the lesson string, and others get sold for anywhere from $2500-$20000 to these rich city people that ride with us. There is NO MONEY in breeding horses, and until everybody realizes that and stops breeding all these horses in there backyard that there is no market for the prices will continue to fall and we will continue to profit from buying 2 and three year olds to put into training and resell.

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Billy NY

09-07-2006 06:27:13




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 Re: OT do you raise horses? in reply to jmixigo, 09-06-2006 21:49:41  
I think the key elements have been mentioned already, philosphy is similar between the various breeds and purposes for raising, showing and working. I've always kept my distance, but I've been around them for almost 40 years, since born actually, and I've never really seen the success level across the board. In the equestrian end of things, it is really unfair for me to comment, but it seems it costs a lot of money to pursue this cause.

You happen to get a good one, a good trainer, a good rider and do a lot of winning, sure helps that horse to become valuable, but your investment can start from the foal stage, years of training and showing, one injury can ruin all of this. It's a vast subject, there are some people who have unlimited funds to throw at equine venues, but keeping afloat on ones salary, when dealing 6 or more can be interesting to say the least. Everything from barn help, riders, training, facility upkeep, hay, feed, veterinarian bills, illness's, weather, and other things can just be a huge burden. My father and stepmom still play this game, have not been by the place since june, probably up to 25 or 30 head at the place now. They would be so much farther ahead if they just got rid of it all, but like many things old habits die hard ! Both support it from afar, so they have to rely on trustowrthy people and good workers, that don't earn a whole heck of a lot, and when I was up there working, I had all I could do to not wring a few necks, not easy to find anyone decent when the pay is mediocre, hard to get anything done with all the distractions, not for me, I just enjoy doing compost now. They breed, did several this year, we have one stud who has some great bloodlines, good disposition, he even shows, but still not sure how that is going, have sold 1-2 this year, not sure if that even put a dent in things, they were experienced show horses with good dispostions. I too think it's a really difficult racket, more so when you have a lot of them.

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Jack-Iowa

09-07-2006 06:22:10




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 Re: OT do you raise horses? in reply to jmixigo, 09-06-2006 21:49:41  
around here any horse you want to sell is either low or given away. any horse you want to buy is somehow real high.
Never figured it out but after seeing alot of foals and horses and how they are kept I think they should require licenses to buy breed or sell with a real high fee to keep some out of it.
Heck you can get a regisered horsse for a lot less than a designer puppy.



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Luke S

09-07-2006 06:53:15




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 Re: OT do you raise horses? in reply to Jack-Iowa, 09-07-2006 06:22:10  
Jack I agree with you 100% on your last statement. I see so many people who have never had a horse in their life, go out and buy a crappy stud, and a crappy mare and start breeding horses in their backyard. Most don't have any idea what it takes to take care of a horse, what it needs nutrition wise, what vaccinations they need, no clue about shoeing, or anything else. They try it for a couple years anf the next thing you know they take all their skinny, sick little horses to sale and they go right to a killer buyer. If there were regulations and certification as far as facilities for keeping horses and taking care of them it would maybe help this problem, but it would be hard to enforce.

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N. TX Tim

09-07-2006 06:21:09




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 Re: OT do you raise horses? in reply to jmixigo, 09-06-2006 21:49:41  
We breed/raise/show Paint and Quarter Halter Horses and the bottom has fallen out of the market. We have not sold a horse since April 2005. Rising fuel costs, feed costs, hay costs/shortages have resulted in people trying to thin down their herds vs. buying more. Starting last Spring, we noticed fewer and fewer people traveling to shows...just too expensive. Most folks do this for fun, and just try to recoup some of their costs...but, like my wife said, "the cost has taken the fun out of it." So, it is a buyers market and the prices have fallen off dramatically.

We market on the internet and have sold horses from Nevada, to Minnesota, to Maryland, to Alabama to South Texas...it is not that we aren't trying and have had success in the past. We have a couple of pending sales right now...thank goodness...and that is only because my wife slashed their prices to about 1/4 of what we would have asked 1 1/2 years ago.

Hope you have better luck than we have had!!
Tim

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Earl D

09-07-2006 04:29:12




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 Re: OT do you raise horses? in reply to jmixigo, 09-06-2006 21:49:41  
I raise and work drafts. In Indiana your lucky to get $100 out of a Belgian colt that last year you would have gotten $500 out of.



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hayray

09-06-2006 23:08:19




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 Re: OT do you raise horses? in reply to jmixigo, 09-06-2006 21:49:41  
You will almost never make any money breeding and selling. If so you must equate it to the same profit margin you have for cattle because it cost at least the same money to feed and raise a foal as a calf. Meaning by the time the horse is a yearling you must sell for around $800 to $1000 to make a profit of around $350. After that you are loosing money and your profit margin will narrow unless you can gain equity in your horse by training and showing, the value will not get much higher and you must by then sell for a much higher price to gain back this investment. --- In a nutshell forget trying to make money doing this. Money is made in horses by providing a service such as training, farrier, or vetrinary service.

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fatbob50

09-06-2006 22:51:51




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 Re: OT do you raise horses? in reply to jmixigo, 09-06-2006 21:49:41  
Hello, It would seem that there are many variables and one of the most important is what the public is interested in. That varies depending on what area you are selling in. The market is good if you are selling what people want in your area. It helps if you can try to market your horses via the web. There are many good horse sites that take ads. Advertising with good clear pictures is a way to help achieve success. There are many folks who breed and some are not concerned with blood lines, conformation, or disposition. These are vital ingredients to a great horse. These are the strengths that you market your horses on. Hope this helps... We recently retired but kept the old broodmares and the stallion.

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fatbob50

09-06-2006 22:55:40




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 Re: OT do you raise horses? in reply to fatbob50, 09-06-2006 22:51:51  
My link did not show up in my response. Hopefully it will show this time...

www.fallingstarr.com



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old

09-06-2006 22:13:40




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 Re: OT do you raise horses? in reply to jmixigo, 09-06-2006 21:49:41  
BTDT with arabians and haven't made a dime. I have pure breed and halfs and can't give them away now days so I just have 4 right now and tring to sell 2 of them but so far no go



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