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Some thinks can't be improved.

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IaGary

08-31-2006 02:50:21




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Was at the Farm Progress show in Amana yesterday.

I stopped at the New Holland booth to look at the balers.

I looked at the knotters on the square balers and realized they have not changed them in over 50 years and maybe even longer.

I'm sure that they maybe changed them just a little but it looks like the parts from our old Super 69 we had would fit on this 2007 model.

What year were the knotters invented and I bet the guy that invented them didn't become a millionaire either?

Few things never change.

Gary

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Cliff Neubauer

08-31-2006 06:23:48




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 Re: Some thinks can't be improved. in reply to IaGary, 08-31-2006 02:50:21  
I think the 575 knotter's are built alot heavier than the older balers but otherwise they are the same design, the knotter's on our Hesson 4590 are just about twins to them as well. I was disapointed that there were only two small square balers at the show (the New Holland and a Massey version of the Hesston 4590). We were wanting to look at Vermeer rakes but they weren't even at the show which was less than 50 miles from their factory. We didn't take the time to wade down every isle but I don't even remember seeing a batwing mower there. Seems to me like there weren't as many exibitor's there this year as there have been in the past.

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IaGary

08-31-2006 06:36:18




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 Re: Some thinks can't be improved. in reply to Cliff Neubauer, 08-31-2006 06:23:48  
Cliff

I didn't see Vermeer there either.

Whats the deal as you say only 50 miles away?

Gary



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iowa_tire_guy

08-31-2006 05:52:26




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 Re: Some thinks can't be improved. in reply to IaGary, 08-31-2006 02:50:21  
Gary,
I was talking a customer yesterday who had gone to the Farm Progress show and he said they had a pretty good display of old tractors there. Did you get to see them? He spent far more time looking at them than he did the new stuff.



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IaGary

08-31-2006 06:33:50




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 Re: Some thinks can't be improved. in reply to iowa_tire_guy, 08-31-2006 05:52:26  
Yes I took a little time there also.

They had them off to the edge of the area.

Saw some nice old tractors of all breeds.

Gary



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bill mar

08-31-2006 04:52:47




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 Re: Some thinks can't be improved. in reply to IaGary, 08-31-2006 02:50:21  
found this on the net,looks like this guy had the first one that actually worked.i was told a long time ago that McCormicks version was virtually unchanged all the way into the 1970's. John Appleby, who from his youth had been interested in machines and whittling models of them. In the mid-1850s, when he was a teenager following a reaper and hand binding grain as a hired hand, John decided that he would invent a mechanism to tie the sheaves. It took some twenty-five years of trying various ideas, with time out to serve in the Civil War, before he patented a twine knotting device in 1875 that was adopted by a number of leading builders, including Deering, McCormick, and Buckeye

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mjbrown

08-31-2006 10:02:14




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 Re: Some thinks can't be improved. in reply to bill mar, 08-31-2006 04:52:47  
You're right. The knotters on grain binders look almost identical to the ones in use today. Maybe a little lighter built is all.



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Midwest redneck

08-31-2006 04:42:57




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 Re: Some thinks can't be improved. in reply to IaGary, 08-31-2006 02:50:21  
I know what you mean. The Bridgeport series one milling machine is just about the best bang for the buck and hasnt changed much in 40-50 years. Of course Hardinge owns Bridgeport now.



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Ken Macfarlane

08-31-2006 04:38:07




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 Re: Some thinks can't be improved. in reply to IaGary, 08-31-2006 02:50:21  
Luckily for us there isn't a lot of money in small square balers or the big 3's R&D would have them loaded with computerized knotters and the balers lifespan would be 10-20 years instead of 50.



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Dachshund

08-31-2006 05:23:40




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 Re: Some thinks can't be improved. in reply to Ken Macfarlane, 08-31-2006 04:38:07  
Don't laugh, Ken! I was "surfing the net" the other day and found a computerized small square baler! They wanted something on the order of $15,000 for the thing! I wish I would have kept the link.



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