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Allan In NE

08-21-2006 17:37:02




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I have no idea what I'm doin', so hope this works out.

I go into town this morning and buy this hitch and the Heston "right hand" rake.

I'm pretty sure that I can hook my old existing left hand IH rake to this hitch in place of that New Holland and make 'er work to pull two windrows together.

Hope so anyway, 'cause I've never done this before.

Allan

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Jimmy King

08-22-2006 08:11:13




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 Re: Hope This Works! in reply to Allan In NE, 08-21-2006 17:37:02  
Allan, if that is 3 point take the wheels off of it and throw them away and put a dolly on the other rake. I had a 2 point I had made it worked great. Except for the fact you have a chain New Holland Baler you will start making a lot better bales, because you have even windrows. They will work staggered or side by side they will turn and not hit each other. two 12 ft swaths work great. After a little practice you will find there is a way to hook up field and transport hook ups and not have to pull the rakes by hand at all. Jim

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Tx Jim

08-22-2006 02:38:50




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 Re: Hope This Works! in reply to Allan In NE, 08-21-2006 17:37:02  
Allan,a man runs a NH double like that down here but it's a pull-type not 3pt. What's the purpose of the wheels on the one your buying? It would be easy enough to make it pull-type by adding a tounge.If rakes are pulled side by side the windrow will be more even IMHO. Tx Jim



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Allan In NE

08-22-2006 03:04:02




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 Re: Hope This Works! in reply to Tx Jim, 08-22-2006 02:38:50  
Darned if I know,

My first guess was that the wheels are only on there so old idiots like me can get the hitch hooked up to the tractor easier? :>)

Oh I dunno, I suppose the wheels give the front of the rake stability as far as vertical height goes; especially if the rakes don't have a dolly wheel?

All I know fer sure is that I watch the big boys around here pull those things and they really seem to work slick. These fellas out here are some hay makin' monsters and I like to just watch and learn. :>)

Allan

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colekicker

08-21-2006 21:10:05




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 Re: Hope This Works! in reply to Allan In NE, 08-21-2006 17:37:02  
The New Holland version of something like that has one rake behind the other. Tractor hooks to an L shaped attachment that has one rake mounted about 5' behind the rake on the right.



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RodInNS

08-21-2006 19:55:13




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 Re: Hope This Works! in reply to Allan In NE, 08-21-2006 17:37:02  
Hey Allan,

I think you've probably got a better handle on this that I do, because I've never even looked at one of those hitches. However, the one thing that does occour to me is that the dolly is on the NH 56 just to place it behind the other rake for turning. I spose' just try your IH in place and see how it works. If it was tight on the turns, then make up a dolly, or just weld up a long hitch and mount that on the toolbar. I'd think that would work OK? There's not so much weight in the old rake that it wouldn't work..... I think. I'm sure you'll get er going somehow. Good luck.

Rod

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Don L C

08-21-2006 19:07:56




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 Re: Hope This Works! in reply to Allan In NE, 08-21-2006 17:37:02  
I think it could work.....after you get them hooked the way you said slowly pull them straight ahead and then extream left and back, then right.....
I am thinking maybe you could mount a 2" hitch ball on the tail of each rake.....take a straight ahead measurement across between the two balls..... weld or bolt a hitch coupler on a piece of 2" heavy wall pipe.....if they pull and swing togeather this will stabilise the tail ends.... length from hitch pin to wheel spindle may have to be the same on both rakes.....give it some though.....Don L C

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Don L C

08-21-2006 19:12:05




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 Re: Hope This Works! in reply to Don L C, 08-21-2006 19:07:56  
The pipe on the rear ends will not only stablise the rakes but keep them from banging togeather..... Don L C



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Allan In NE

08-21-2006 19:49:13




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 Re: Hope This Works! in reply to Don L C, 08-21-2006 19:12:05  
Now wait a minute. :>)

The hitch is on the 3-point, so when ya turn one end (and one rake) is gonna come forward and one is gonna try to "back up" so they can't be hooked together, can they?

'Taint it? Unless ya make a larger arc? Darned if I know; guess I'll find out. Lots of guys use 'em around here, anyway.

Allan



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the tractor vet

08-21-2006 18:25:17




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 Re: Hope This Works! in reply to Allan In NE, 08-21-2006 17:37:02  
we quit using the old style rakes lastyear and went with a rotary and this was just after i had totaly rebuilt that 256 New Holand from top to bottom the only thing i did not get done was do the Sherman and Williams overhaul with new stickers , got the paint got the stickers Now if someone would just come buy it to get it out of here i would be a happy camper along with the Old 68 baler the 717 chopper atleast one of the corn planters and let see there is a whole list of stuff that need to go. Oh i almost forgot that darn Jack Sheep 336 baler you know that one that makes Idiot Cubes.

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Kelly Campbell

08-21-2006 20:44:01




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 Re: Hope This Works! in reply to the tractor vet, 08-21-2006 18:25:17  
Hey I've been looking for a old roll bar rake



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the tractor vet

08-21-2006 21:20:22




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 Re: Hope This Works! in reply to Kelly Campbell, 08-21-2006 20:44:01  
She's a good one just a bit short on paint but will throw the gallon of red and the two qts of yellow in .just bring your trailer.



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wh

08-21-2006 18:01:50




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 Re: Hope This Works! in reply to Allan In NE, 08-21-2006 17:37:02  
IF you had to, could you extend the tounge on one of the rakes to keep them from hitting each other or to control the placement of the windrow?



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Allan In NE

08-21-2006 18:08:07




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 Re: Hope This Works! in reply to wh, 08-21-2006 18:01:50  
I have no idea, have to get 'em married to see how they line up, I guess.

I don't understand what it matters if they both throw together at the same time. Aren't they 'sposed to?

Allan



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IaGary

08-21-2006 18:34:29




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 Re: Hope This Works! in reply to Allan In NE, 08-21-2006 18:08:07  
Allan

I think they need to be staggered so you can turn.

Other wise they may hit or maybe not as one will pull ahead of the other because of the bar wipping forward.

Heck I don't know.

I built a telescoping hitch across the back of my 258 NH that extended out the left then just hooked my brothers 256 to it and threw all one way.

If you want a picture I'll get one tomorrow.

You could then throw more than two windrows together.

Worked pretty good till the 258 was wore out.

Gary

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Don L C

08-21-2006 18:48:21




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 Re: Hope This Works! in reply to IaGary, 08-21-2006 18:34:29  
Yea but your doubble raking 1/2 of every pass....there goes the leaves..... don



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IaGary

08-21-2006 18:56:13




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 Re: Hope This Works! in reply to Don L C, 08-21-2006 18:48:21  
Your right Don if you rake when its too dry.

You gotto be careful about that.

And that is another reason for me switching to a wheel rake.

But in grass hay it don't matter.

Also you can slow down since your taking two swathes and you still rake faster.

I found that speed causes more leaf loss than rolling it a couple more times.

Gary



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wh

08-21-2006 18:18:30




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 Re: Hope This Works! in reply to Allan In NE, 08-21-2006 18:08:07  
i would think that as long as they are far enough apart to roll the hay in it won't matter. several of the new twin rakes being used here now. when they unfold them they are several feet apart. allows for a rather large windrow in good hay. most are running 4 wheel rakes on each side.



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Old Pokey

08-21-2006 17:49:26




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 Re: Hope This Works! in reply to Allan In NE, 08-21-2006 17:37:02  
Does your IH rake have the pull hitch like the NH? It would work well if it does, but otherwise the windrows will hit each other and possibly make a rather uneven row. Maybe, maybe not. I just know about the old NH double rake hitches. I've never used one like in your picture.



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Allan In NE

08-21-2006 17:56:37




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 Re: Hope This Works! in reply to Old Pokey, 08-21-2006 17:49:26  
No,

The IH rake hitch is just about a mirror image of that Heston. The 3 point hitch does telescope tho so a guy can move the rakes closer together or further apart.

Don't know how I'm gonna "wiggle" it around to pull down the road either. That's probably why the one rake in the original setup has the dolly wheel?

The Heston has a hitch hook up in back and I think that New Hollad probably hooked behind to tow?

Dunno, I'm lost.

Allan

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Robhkent

08-21-2006 18:26:45




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 Re: Hope This Works! in reply to Allan In NE, 08-21-2006 17:56:37  
Allan:

Are those right hand rakes at all common out there? I have looked for one around here, and they cannot be found. When i find those rh rakes on the inet equipment sites they are always rather spendy.

I will have a lot of hay a few years down the road, and a twin rake setup like that will be what i need. I already have a good NH 256 like the one in the pic.



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Allan In NE

08-21-2006 18:32:07




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 Re: Hope This Works! in reply to Robhkent, 08-21-2006 18:26:45  
Yes Sir,

There everywhere. Think I'm the last guy that didn't have one in this area and I really noticed how long it was taking me to get to the baler compared to everyone else.

The right hand throw rakes are exactly twice the price of a normal left handed one. Plus, the darned hitch, of course.

I didn't have to worry 'bout this on the irrigated ground because the baler could just follow the swather. Don't work too good out here on the dry, however. Unless it is really heavy hay, the windrows need to be thrown together to fill that darned baler up.

Allan

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glr62

08-22-2006 01:16:19




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 Re: Hope This Works! in reply to Allan In NE, 08-21-2006 18:32:07  
Take it back to Mapes and let him sell you what you really could use!!

I"ll lay odds that what you have wil work.



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Allan In NE

08-22-2006 02:01:40




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 Re: Hope This Works! in reply to glr62, 08-22-2006 01:16:19  
Oh heck yeah, it's gonna work.

The problem isn't with the boys in town, they're a pretty darned sharp crew in there. Problem lies with my shriveled up ol' pee brain and my not knowin' what I'm doin'. :>)

Allan



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Robhkent

08-21-2006 18:52:00




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 Re: Hope This Works! in reply to Allan In NE, 08-21-2006 18:32:07  
I just can't figure out that price difference, supply and demand would be some of it, but twice the price?? Thats what I am seeing when I find them though. It is nice to know where I can find one easily though, it will be a few years before I need one.

Thanks Allan



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Harley

08-22-2006 06:49:14




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 Re: Hope This Works! in reply to Robhkent, 08-21-2006 18:52:00  
The only thing I see that might be a concern would be the "tongue mount" on the hitch on the one rake and the dolly wheel on the other one. Would the tongue sitting on the hitch bar cause it to ride down? Don't know either but I had an old dearborn rake with that tongue mount on it and this year I built a dolly wheel under it and now instead of taking four men and a boy to hook it up, I just have to lift a 20 pound drawbar and hook it to the tractor. As far as turning, they're gonna stay as far apart as they are in the field, as both will stay in line with where they were going through the field, so I don't think that would be a problem. You couldn't fasten them together in back, or when you turned, they would want to skid around as one unit, and you'd be out there with a welder on the first turn. Harley

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