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Allan In NE

08-16-2006 09:34:50

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Okay,

When I sold out in '83, dry land wheat would consistently yield 30 bpa; once in a great while you would hear of 32 to 35.

Fast forward to today. I now routinely hear of 45 bpa on a bad year and easily 60 to 80 on good years. This is on Nebraska dry land.

My friend John advises me to stay away from field run seed and gamble the high-powered new high yielding certified seed.

What variety do want me to stuff in the ground next month?

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Allan

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JCKS

08-17-2006 04:53:25

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Re: Hey You Wheat Farmers! in reply to Allan In NE, 08-16-2006 09:34:50

Allan, in the Hi Plains Journal 8/7/06 I found a Kansas Seed Book. Had I been thinking I'd have posted this in my other post. Maybe they did the same for Nebraska. Jim

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JCKS

08-17-2006 04:46:13

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Re: Hey You Wheat Farmers! in reply to Allan In NE, 08-16-2006 09:34:50

Allan, I'm from NE kansas 18 miles NE of Topeka. I called my seed men and they both advised 2137 or Jagger, but it will be expensive as last year's crop was no bonanza. One priced it to me in the $9.99 @ bu. range. Nether one had any in yet. Jim

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John A.

08-16-2006 20:06:45

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Re: Hey You Wheat Farmers! in reply to Allan In NE, 08-16-2006 09:34:50

Allan, When I left the Panhandles in the summer of 90, I surenough was up on whats-what with high plains dryland wheat. There are some improvement I know buit these thing will work.
We always used "Bin-run" wheat as our seed wheat for the next year. Which ever field was the cleanest and looked the best and had good test wts. too. I do not see any good reason why any good, clean, high test wts wheat wouldn't work.
My rewlatives still keep their own seed wheat for the next season. We would keep about 150 thousand lbs for the next crop, About 4 bobtails worth. at 40,000 lbs/truck.
The only time we used certified seed was to get a start of a new variety that we wanted. If we couldn't find a neighbor who had some to sell.
In the first 2 yrs of the 80s. We used "Scout" on dryland and "Vaughnna" on our irrigated.
In 83 or 84 I started useing "Vaughnna on my dryland and well pleased too.
At about that same time I started putting down about 70 lbs of NH3 too. That made a major difference too. My yeilds went from 25 ans 35 to 60 to 70 bu/acre, that is when we had significant rain and snow to make the crop. The Anhydrous also made the plant better utilize the availabe moisture even in short water situations.
around the late 80 we also used TAM 105 and it worked well.
Now I understand that there are sove viruses out there that will cause a wheat plant not to develope and fill out correctly.
Heard of guys that had full irrigation expesives in their irrigated crop and it only made 30 bu give or take. so that might be something to concider.
So If I were you, I would put down 70 lbs of N./acre. And if I could find some Vaughnna.
And plant 70lb of seed /acre + or -.
Have fun!
Later,
John A.
OBTW... we always used a Big Sweep plow to undercut out dryland and put out NH3 too

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Coloken

08-16-2006 12:54:21

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Re: Hey You Wheat Farmers! in reply to Allan In NE, 08-16-2006 09:34:50

Me again... Question comes to my mind when I see the word "hybrid" used. I'm way out of date on such stuff, but isn't a hybred a seed that could not be replanted. On the other hand, a "variety" will breed true. How do you tell which is which. Not even getting into the patented seeds.

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Allan In NE

08-16-2006 13:08:08

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Re: Hey You Wheat Farmers! in reply to Coloken, 08-16-2006 12:54:21

Yeah,

Don't even think there is such a thing as a "hybrid" wheat, is there?

Guess the big thing now is that they are really pushing the hard winter white 'cause the millers like it.

Allan

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Wyokid

08-16-2006 13:51:44

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Re: Hey You Wheat Farmers! in reply to Allan In NE, 08-16-2006 13:08:08

Ya might want to do some serious thinking about white winter. There was (might stillhave) a .50/bu incentive for www but the pain of keeping it totally-and I mean totally-segrgated from hrw made it cumbersome. A few grains of hrw in a truck load of www made the load ordinary class. Mattson (certified grower/dealer)in Albin had a couple of www varieties but don't know if they really ever took off.

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Allan In NE

08-16-2006 15:17:27

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Re: Hey You Wheat Farmers! in reply to Wyokid, 08-16-2006 13:51:44

Yes Sir,

I just came from the seed dealers'. Told him to get me some Jageline or Jagger. Doesn't sound too awfully bad on price.

Allan

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ejr-IA.

08-16-2006 12:39:45

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Re: Hey You Wheat Farmers! in reply to Allan In NE, 08-16-2006 09:34:50

Try www.doane.com for wheat varietys in Neb.

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Steve KS

08-16-2006 12:38:45

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Re: Hey You Wheat Farmers! in reply to Allan In NE, 08-16-2006 09:34:50

Everyone around here sure uses hybrids - Jagalene was the choice this year. I found a link to the U of N crop website. Follow the link and then on the left hand frame click variety tests, then on that page mouse over "Wntr Wheat" on top and select "Winter Wheat 2006". The first link then is the entire 2006 wheat book, should tell you more than you ever wanted to know!

U of N Crop's Website

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WyoDave

08-16-2006 12:17:13

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Re: Hey You Wheat Farmers! in reply to Allan In NE, 08-16-2006 09:34:50

I'd buy certified seed especially since you know this ground should be free of rye and goatgrass, then you can probably bin run for several years, but if you see any of those troublesome weeds coming on, I'd go certified again. As far as varieties, I'd see what your seed salesman is recommending then do some research on it. I still haven't heard of any 60-80 bushel wheat even on an exceptional year around here unless its irrigated, but I don't get out much.
David

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Scotmac

08-16-2006 11:55:24

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Re: Hey You Wheat Farmers! in reply to Allan In NE, 08-16-2006 09:34:50

Absolutely....plant the Hybrid or at least a certified public. Remember...when it comes to seed...good ain't cheap and cheap ain't good! Or as my race car chasis builders put it...buy the best and only cry once!

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Brian in NY

08-16-2006 11:39:36

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Re: Hey You Wheat Farmers! in reply to Allan In NE, 08-16-2006 09:34:50

I am no wheat farmer, but it seems to me that the smart money would be on a new fangled hybridized seed. What with the increased fuel costs, seems like higher yield per acre would be the way to go.

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Jay (ND)

08-16-2006 11:33:07

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Re: Hey You Wheat Farmers! in reply to Allan In NE, 08-16-2006 09:34:50

Allan, I don't have to tell you this, but different conditions will do different stuff. I just came from a friends place and he was actually looking up some of this info. He was checking it on the universities web site. They had what the protein averages, falling numbers, yield, shelling, breaking down, etc.

Sounds just like something you need. I'm sure Nebraska must have a crack agricultural university to look up this info.

Jay

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Wyokid

08-16-2006 10:53:18

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Re: Hey You Wheat Farmers! in reply to Allan In NE, 08-16-2006 09:34:50

Here in SE wyo Buckskin is the variety of choice, Akron used a lot and Pronghorn (sister of Buckskin) starting to be used. Talk to some of the locals and get on univ. Neb extension site. I don't plant fresh certified every year but every 4-5 years I'll start from scratch. This year certified Buckskin was 7.50/bu, cash price on that day was 4. twenty something, so if planting certified seed would gain you 1bu/ac it would pay to use new seed rather than field run. At a minimum I clean mine every year (same guy that grows certified), he has the screens and also has a length grader that really gets the FM and goatgrass, ryegrass, etc. out.

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Coloken

08-16-2006 10:44:58

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Re: Hey You Wheat Farmers! in reply to Allan In NE, 08-16-2006 09:34:50

Allan, you definately want one of the newer varities. Pick for the good points that you want for your area. That said, Looks to me like many are paying way too much for seed. Do you have a neibour with good clean (free from weed seed) seed? I used to buy some new seed every year to try out new varities and plant enough that I could save the seed from that plot. I might have 2 or 3 varities growing. My "bin run" would never be more than 3 or 4 years from certified. Biggest problem here was to keep it free from rye...now I hear about goat grass and other newer problem.

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sd pete

08-16-2006 09:49:09

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Re: Hey You Wheat Farmers! in reply to Allan In NE, 08-16-2006 09:34:50

i have been away form winter wheat for a few years. Is Siouxland still being planted. The last i planted of siouxland with certified seed went 66 on a medium type of year and had straw up the ying yang.

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