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overheating Mn Moline Z

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Mona

08-14-2006 14:30:46




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We have a Minneapolis Moline Z that over-heats after about 10 minutes of running. Any ideas as to why?? and if so any ideas on how to fix it?? Thanks!!




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Tex Aggie

08-14-2006 15:35:08




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 Re: overheating Mn Moline Z in reply to Mona , 08-14-2006 14:30:46  
where are you located?



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Mona

08-14-2006 16:41:17




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 Re: overheating Mn Moline Z in reply to Tex Aggie, 08-14-2006 15:35:08  
We are located in Southeastern South Dakota



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Mona

08-14-2006 14:37:24




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 Re: overheating Mn Moline Z in reply to Mona , 08-14-2006 14:30:46  
Ok.. just a few more details.. because we have a person interested in buying this from us, but will not until we find out what is causing the problem with the over-heating.

When it gets hot, it overflows out of the radiator. You can see thru the fins of the radiator, so its not all blocked and dirty. We even took a magnet and cleaned out the inside of the radiator to clean out as much of the rust pieces that we could get. There isnt a thermostat in it at all, and we arent sure there was one to begin with. Any other questions, lemme know and I will give ya any info I can find out! Again, Thanks!!

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RAB

08-14-2006 15:35:59




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 Re: overheating Mn Moline Z in reply to Mona , 08-14-2006 14:37:24  
I think you missed the point when checking the rad in that if the water does not go through the tubes it will not be cooled. Air flow and water flow must be adequate.
Personally, I"ve never had an engine heat up properly without a thernostat or a radiator blind/louvre, let alone overheat.
Is there any combustion gas getting into the cooling system? This could be a head gasket or something cracked.
I hope you are lucky and have really answered the question yourself - you have blocked radiator tubes with rust, that you cannot remove with a magnet.
Regards, RAB

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GregCO

08-14-2006 14:46:03




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 Re: overheating Mn Moline Z in reply to Mona , 08-14-2006 14:37:24  
The thermostat missing may be the problem. Sometimes without a thermostat the coolant is moving through the cooling system too fast and doesn’t get to stay in the radiator long enough to cool down.

Greg F.



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Mona

08-14-2006 14:59:30




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 Re: overheating Mn Moline Z in reply to GregCO, 08-14-2006 14:46:03  
Ok.. another couple things here.. 1) will a thermostat from any old car work, or do we need to get one that is specifically made for the Z?? 2) the guy is offering us $500 for it. It runs, and runs well aside from the over-heating problem. Its in rough shape as its OLD but it IS restorable.



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GregCO

08-14-2006 15:32:54




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 Re: overheating Mn Moline Z in reply to Mona , 08-14-2006 14:59:30  
Your best bet might be to try a Napa parts store. They may be able to get you one.

Another thing to consider is a bad head gasket. It you take the radiator cap off when the engine is cold and start it up can you see allot bubbles working their way up?

Greg



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noncompos

08-14-2006 15:28:31




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 Re: overheating Mn Moline Z in reply to Mona , 08-14-2006 14:59:30  
Mona, there's a whole litany of things that could be causing your overheating, from something as simple as the fan belt slipping or the radiator cap bad (if it has a pressure radiator), costing a few dollars to fix, to cracks in the cylinder head or block, costing hundreds or more. It's difficult to diagnose (make an experienced guess) without a lot more info. And it depends on how much the rig would sell for if it was running OK, whether there's someone to fiddle with it vs. having to pay a shop $70-100 per hour plus parts to fix it. I have no idea what they usually sell for, and for anyone to more than guess they'd need more detail about condition, usage,history, etc etc.. Hopefully someone will at least give you a range. There's also questions about your buyer: if he's a dependable friend he may be making a good offer; on the other hand, if you're doing this by yourself, it wouldn't be the first time someone tried to take advantage of someone inexperienced. Feel free to meet me on email so we don't have to clutter the site. Best wishes.

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old art

08-14-2006 18:23:31




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 Re: overheating Mn Moline Z in reply to noncompos, 08-14-2006 15:28:31  
could be the water pump when it is runningdoes the water move in the radiator . if timing is late it will heat up lol



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Rexalot

08-15-2006 07:47:14




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 Re: overheating Mn Moline Z in reply to old art, 08-14-2006 18:23:31  
You never mentioned that you had put the tractor up for sale, just that someone was interested in buying it from you and has made an offer.

The $500 is a fair offer for an old Z that runs in the condition you indicated. Unless you agreed to fix the tractor prior to the sale I wouldn"t put anymore time, effort, or $$$ and sell it as is especially, if they saw it in the barn and approached you.

That said, you need a thermostat. You need to slow down the flow of water through the radiator as stated. The thermostat will do that.

Make sure that the cap is good. A low pressure cap is all that would be needed.

One other point, most of the "vintage" tractors radiators aren"t meant to be filled to the top of the neck. Start the tractor and fill the radiator until coolant just covers the top of the fins. This will give room for expansion. It may push some fluid over after it"s shutdown once warmed up, but it should"nt continue to do so.

If the radiator will not flow due to build-up of calcium, rust, or other deposits blocking off the cooling tubes then the radiator will need to be removed and "rodded" out. In your case, the radiator is probably to fragile from age to survive being cleaned in this fashion. You would likely end up needing a recore job. This could cost as much as 1/2 the offer made on your tractor or more.

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