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O/T 93 Suburban inertia switch location

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frankiee

08-06-2006 06:01:46




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Sorry to bother with Off Topic but....
My dads Suburban quits at times because of lack of fuel and won't start for quite some time after if we are lucky.
My nephew was boosting his truck and my niece says that the volt meter was down in the red zone quite a bit a week ago.
We replaced the fuel pump and relay and it is the same thing. I have to bypass the pump relay to get the pump going when it is in this condition.
The injectors are not spraying a good full spray that I thought I would see when the engine is off and ignition is just turned on.
If I have to bypass the pump relay to get it to work, then I think the problem is leading to the computer.
I think the roll over inertia switch is between the computer and the pump relay but I don't know where to find it to test it.
Don't get me wrong. I am only trying to bypass these components in order to find the problem and would not leave them bypassed. I would do the proper repair after I find the bad component.

Even with the pump relay bypassed so the pump runs, It still will quit when slowing down for a corner and will not start again for quite some time. Fuel poured in the engine helps to get it going.

I think the common denominators are:
1- signal to the fuel pump relay sometimes
2-injector signal is not proper for demand.

I don't have a fuel injection pressure tester but I will get one if I have to.

Does any body know where I can find the inertia switch (come to think of it, I don't think that is the problem)
Does any body have any ideas.
I don't have another computer to try as a test
Just scraped the old 88 Suburban 2 months ago.

Thanks in advance

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RusselAZ

08-06-2006 22:47:01




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 Re: O/T 93 Suburban inertia switch location in reply to frankiee, 08-06-2006 06:01:46  
Two causes of "stops when slowing down for a corner" are inside the fuel tank. One is the containment surounding that is spot welded in the tank to keep fuel at the pump will come loose and then the pump will loose fuel when stopping. The fix is a new tank. Are there any dents in the bottom of the tank? Second thing that will cause this is the wiring to the pump from the receptacle on top of the tank. It overheats and melts the connectors.

The fuel pump relay will turn on for a couple seconds when you turn the key to on. Then it stops until the engine computer sees a cranking signal from the distributor. There is also a 12 v tap wire that comes out of the wire loom along the firewall. Putting 12 volt on this wire directly powers the fuel pump.

Now, the first thing I would check if you brought this to me would be the magnet in the distributor. They crack, you can usually see the cracks and they cause weird running symptoms.

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frankiee

08-07-2006 05:47:58




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 Re: O/T 93 Suburban inertia switch location in reply to RusselAZ, 08-06-2006 22:47:01  
Seems to me that you have been there, fixed that.
Thanks for the tips. The tank has a plastic sheild and I did not see the condition of the tank. I will be out there today and take a look at the items you pointed out.



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Lil-Farmer

08-06-2006 10:52:06




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 Re: O/T 93 Suburban inertia switch location in reply to frankiee, 08-06-2006 06:01:46  
Frankiee,

I had a similar problem on an '87. Found the plate that holds the ignition module is steel and pressed on to the aluminum distributor housing. The two metals will react and corrode when moisture is present. Truck would run fine when cold, but would die from underhood heat causing excess resistance through the corrosion. Was a bear to find, was told to check it by a GM mechanic.

I put a ground wire from the distributor cap hold down screw to the manifold. No more trouble.

The ignition module also fires the injectors. If it is not grounded, no fuel.

At least that's how I undestand it. Good Luck!

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in-too-deep

08-06-2006 10:01:32




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 Re: O/T 93 Suburban inertia switch location in reply to frankiee, 08-06-2006 06:01:46  
'Course you could swap the intake and stick a carb on there and be done with it. ; ) I had an '88 Chevy 3500 that was never right, like it had a mind of it's own. I finally gave up and sold it. I feel your pain.



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Sid

08-06-2006 06:31:06




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 Re: O/T 93 Suburban inertia switch location in reply to frankiee, 08-06-2006 06:01:46  
Perhaps an oil pressure issue, or a faulty oil pressure signal can shut of fuel pump.



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frankiee

08-06-2006 06:50:10




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 Re: O/T 93 Suburban inertia switch location in reply to Sid, 08-06-2006 06:31:06  
Yes, after looking at some wiring schematics, I do notice that the oil pressure is tied in there.
Silly me. I did not even look at the oil pressure at the time. I will be back there tomorrow and take a better look at it.
I am gaining all the ideas I can get today.
Thank you for the tip. I will look at the oil pressure.



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RusselAZ

08-06-2006 22:35:10




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 Re: O/T 93 Suburban inertia switch location in reply to frankiee, 08-06-2006 06:50:10  
Oil pressure has nothing to do with turning on the fuel pump when cranking. It closes a redundent circuit when running .



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Allan In NE

08-06-2006 06:23:02




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 Re: O/T 93 Suburban inertia switch location in reply to frankiee, 08-06-2006 06:01:46  
Hi Frankie,

That truck doesn't have an inertia switch like the Fords do and you can't see the fuel in the throttle body without a strong flashlight and a really good eye.

Did you change the fuel filter? Did you replace the pickup hose at the fuel pump? What codes are you getting?

Dunno, if you replaced the pump and the relay, I just don't think your problem lies in that area. Unless of course, you used an aftermarket pump?

I'd be looking at that EGR valve/solenoid and/or throttle body gasket in the event that the idle speed seems way too high because it really sounds like we have a vacumm leak somewhere.

Allan

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frankiee

08-08-2006 09:45:56




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 Re: O/T 93 Suburban inertia switch location in reply to Allan In NE, 08-06-2006 06:23:02  
Turned out to be a bad engine coolant temperature switch that leads to the ECM.
Sorry for the confusing description I gave.
I know it did not help any with the wandering description of events.
Thank you everyone for the help.



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frankiee

08-06-2006 06:44:43




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 Re: O/T 93 Suburban inertia switch location in reply to Allan In NE, 08-06-2006 06:23:02  
Thanks Allen
I did not get any codes off it.
I will be there tomorrow again.
I worked on it at night after we got it back to the house at midnight and I was running 20 hours without sleep so my brain was not thinking to grab all the facts.
My father changed the pump the day before I got in to the area. I was away for 6 weeks working on the Great Lakes.
Thanks for letting me know that there is no inertia switch.
Yes, it does not have to be a fuel problem if the mixture is not right. adding fuel to help start it would would only "boost" the fuel/air ratio a bit just enough to help it start.
I will stop thinking fuel problem and look at the whole picture when I get there tomorrow.
Thanks for the insight and experience.

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