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O/T help with wifes caravan

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perry in mi

08-01-2006 16:55:05




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i have a 94 dodge caravan 3.3L. that wont start. if i spay fuel in the thottle body it will start. i am haveing prombloms with power to the fuel pump. when i turn the key on i only hear the fuel pump relay click on about 3 out of 20 times when turning the key on and off. i also have a test light hooked to the conecter so i can see when it flashes. i pulled the tank and fuel pump, and hooked up direct power to the pump and it works. i changed the relay and it does the same thing. figures it happens on a 100 degree day...thanks guys..perry

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Allan In NE

08-01-2006 20:57:02




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 Re: O/T help with wifes caravan in reply to perry in mi, 08-01-2006 16:55:05  
Perry,

Have you even looked at that EGR or EGR solenoid? Those '94s had a bad habit of it sticking open.

Allan



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KEB

08-01-2006 21:17:50




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 Re: O/T help with wifes caravan in reply to Allan In NE, 08-01-2006 20:57:02  
Open EGR should set the check engine light, plus it wouldn't idle for beans. Been there, done that.

Keith



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KEB

08-01-2006 20:27:37




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 Re: O/T help with wifes caravan in reply to perry in mi, 08-01-2006 16:55:05  
Best bet is a problem with fuel pressure, either a weak pump or a bad pressure regulator. When you start the engine, it injects a pre-determined amount of fuel based on holding the injector open for a pre-determined time. If the pressure is a little low, it won't inject enough fuel, but if you give it a little extra it'll start right up. Once the engine is running, it'll automatically adjust the injector cycle to run at the proper speed and mixture, thereby compensating for the reduced flow rate through the injector.

When you first turn on the key, you should hear the fuel pump run until it builds a pre-determined pressure or runs for a pre-determined time (not sure which Chrysler uses). If you cycle the key too soon, it won't run again.

There should be a valve or connection on the fuel rail where you can attach a guage to measure fuel pressure. If not, you may have to tee into the supply side (not the return side). There should be a specification for fuel pressure prior to starting.

I had a Chevy with a similar problem once, and the fuel pressure was only 5 - 10 lbs low. Turned out to be the fuel pump itself, lots of fun dropping the tank to replace it. Carried a small bottle of gas to prime it with for a while until found a guage & figured out what was going on.

Good luck,

Keith

PS...don't know about Chrysler, but Chevy's have a shrader valve on the fuel rail which is the same size as the shrader valve on an automotive air conditioner (don't remember if its the R-12 or R-134 size, but the meter came with an adapter). A $10 air conditioner pressure guage from a chain auto parts store worked just fine as a diagnostic tool. Before someone sqwacks, I'd never use it on an air conditioner once it had gas in it...

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bradk

08-01-2006 19:48:00




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 Re: O/T help with wifes caravan in reply to perry in mi, 08-01-2006 16:55:05  
If you waited about 10 seconds between ignition cycles,the pump would run for a second every time.If you apply power(B+),to the pump at the relay connector(green/black tracer),the pump should run all the time.
Try this and if still no start,the pump doesn"t build enough pressure.~brad



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Dale L

08-01-2006 19:15:20




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 Re: O/T help with wifes caravan in reply to perry in mi, 08-01-2006 16:55:05  
Perry we have a 93 grand voyager that had problems with the fuel system . I can't remember if it had the same symtoms as yours but I think it was similar to what you are dealing with. It turned out to be the presure regulator on the fuel manifold. If I remember right it was a fairly cheap fix. Maybe you can get one from a junk yard and try it out. Good luck Dale L.



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Loren

08-01-2006 17:30:40




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 Re: O/T help with wifes caravan in reply to perry in mi, 08-01-2006 16:55:05  
First off if the pump hasn't been changed in quite a while, and it's out on the bench, replace it. New screen on it too. When you tap into the pump power wire and switch the key on 20 times does the test light come on 20 times? Someone else will hopefully correct me on this but it seems the pump on those is powered straight from the ecm. If you're lucky I'll be wrong and there will be a relay between. My Mitchell manuals are all stored away so I don't have schematics handy.

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