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kenTx

07-26-2006 10:46:36




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My wife would like for us to have a water well dug onto our farm for househole water. We currently have our water coming by a community water service (a pipe line). My wife is thinking that if something was to happen to the water service due to a storm or other disruption, we would not have water for an indefinate period.

The driller said that the well would cost approx $6,000 in my area. If electrical power was to go out I would still have to bring the water to the surface with an emergency generator.

My question is this:
Instead of a new well, I was thinking of installing a 70 gallon tank which could be plumbed in series with the existing community water supply. If the community water supply should shut down or if there was a power interruption, I would still have 70 gallons of water available for household use (assuming that the tank was at a higher elevation that the house so that gavity would feed the house.
What wrong with this idea...?

Thank you,
Ken

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paul

07-26-2006 22:06:33




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 Re: water well decision in reply to kenTx, 07-26-2006 10:46:36  
As others say, couple things:

1. Doesn't the water feed from a water tower somewhere, & will continue to run even if the power goes off? Most have genset backups to keep the pumps running, at least limited. Be sure there really is a problem, before trying to prepare for it.

2. Most water districts do not allow you to have a well once they come through, before setting up to dig a well, be sure you are allowed to do so.

--->Paul

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T_Bone

07-26-2006 16:00:36




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 Re: water well decision in reply to kenTx, 07-26-2006 10:46:36  
Hi Ken,

I use a 12v RV pump($50) with a 12v lawn&garden battery($16) with a trickle charger($12). This will supply 3gpm for several days on one battery charge. The pump has it's own pressure switch and is fully automatic in a "T" configuration.

You will need a cistern storage tank to draw from. For 2 people without (washing machine or showers) takes about 50gal perday if you have low flow toilets. You'll pay about $40 more for a 200gal tank than a 100gal tank. Agri-supply.com has great tank prices. I bought a new 1600gal PE tank for $500 delivered from plastictank.com this summer, a smoking good deal.

We don't supply aux power to any of our community wells nor pipelines but we don't loose power that often, twice a year average. There's enough of us that do have generators incase the Utility stays off longer than 24hrs so we could fire up a well if we had too.

I think lossing power will be a common occurance for the next 10yrs for most of the country.

T_Bone

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Matt Kane

07-26-2006 15:56:40




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 Re: water well decision in reply to kenTx, 07-26-2006 10:46:36  
I wouldnt do it. Im pretty sure if power goes out, most of the time you will have water. Not here in the country if power goes out, I can run a little before I lose pressure. If I see a storm coming I fill the tub a little so i can flush the toilet, and fill a gallon or two of drinking water. This is me, but If I could get away with not spending 6,000 dollars, I wouldnt spend it. Plus if you have a gas stove you can cook while the power is out. Few things have there advantage.

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old art

07-26-2006 14:43:35




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 Re: water well decision in reply to kenTx, 07-26-2006 10:46:36  
most city water systems have a large generator on the for power outages they are responseble for a lot of people to have water also if they run out of water in the tank there a lot of sanitary problems that come up. if in doubt go to the water dept, and ask what hapens when power goes off they may even give you a toure of the place your taxes paid for it.



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Pooh Bear

07-26-2006 14:07:34




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 Re: water well decision in reply to kenTx, 07-26-2006 10:46:36  
Most of the city water systems I have seen have been
gravity flow anyway. No electricity required.

If you use a storage tank you wouldn't have much pressure.
Guess you could add an RV type water pump to the system.
And how you gonna keep the water fresh in a tank.

When I was on city water unless something physically
happened to the supply line then we had water.

Pooh Bear



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John S-B

07-26-2006 13:31:33




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 Re: water well decision in reply to kenTx, 07-26-2006 10:46:36  
In addition to the well drilling costs there will be additional pluming because you cannot have a well system tied into the same system supplied by a utility. Also what is the quantity and quality of the water availible. I can't see spending that much money on a remote chance that the water going out. It's much cheaper to maintain a supply of bottled water.



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HG

07-26-2006 12:07:01




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 Re: water well decision in reply to kenTx, 07-26-2006 10:46:36  
You could "drive a point well" as a back-up. I've done two in my life. Its really not that hard.

[url=http://www.fdungan.com/well.htm]Well points[/url]



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HG

07-26-2006 12:08:08




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 Re: water well decision in reply to HG, 07-26-2006 12:07:01  
The link I added came out wrong. Just copy and paste it.


http://www.fdungan.com/well.htm



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Sam (MO)

07-26-2006 11:51:23




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 Re: water well decision in reply to kenTx, 07-26-2006 10:46:36  
Ken

I live close to saint louis. After the big storm here last week folks are still without electric. So if you drill a well you could be out of water unless you get a generator. I have spent over 20 years in the Army and water is the key to everything. So if you have city/county supplied water i'd stick with that. Just get a good supply of water, I'd say 3 gallons per day per person in the house.

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noncompos

07-26-2006 11:50:28




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 Re: water well decision in reply to kenTx, 07-26-2006 10:46:36  
Kind of depends--if pipeline or system down, do any alternatives exist for emergency water? What's history of existing system been re' breakdowns or shutoffs? Any rumors of present system getting old, overburdened by new hookups or unreliable? How much of an outlay is the 6K?? Any part recoverable re' txs? If it's no big deal, and you're very dependent on pipeline, might be worth it for wife's piece of mind; if it's major outlay you really don't want to make, that's another thing. Your 70 (100-200?) gal tank could be best answer, or tank you could load on truck, drive to place to fill, haul home in emergencies?? Is water in your area "vein" or "sheet'? Vein is often hit or miss (hit at 200 here, 30 feet away not till 250-300); sheet is basically same for large areas. If vein area, est could be short. Sorry; you asked for answers, all I have are questions. Good luck.)

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John T

07-26-2006 11:50:19




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 Re: water well decision in reply to kenTx, 07-26-2006 10:46:36  
Ken, I dont see nuttin wrong with your idea, just remember if you wanna keep a 70 gallon reservoir its gotta be constantly used n replenished and in the regular flow so it dont get stale and that means it has to be in a tank capable of handling the 60 PSI or better pressure. It seems to me $6000 is a lot to spend to back up a utility that just dont go out that often but its your money n your choice. Around here if you wanna even think about mixing a well water supply with city water you gotta have those backflow preventers so you dont pump your untreated water into their system and they may not even allow the systems tied together at all. You also gotta use that well system now n then to keep the pipes n tanks all cleaned n flushed out, its starting to sound like a lot of expense n maintenance to me for the little use that may ever be necessary???

Best wishes n God Bless

John T

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dab

07-26-2006 11:38:29




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 Re: water well decision in reply to kenTx, 07-26-2006 10:46:36  
In your area are you even allowed to put a well in now that you have water service?



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john in la

07-26-2006 11:37:11




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 Re: water well decision in reply to kenTx, 07-26-2006 10:46:36  
I feel your wife is worrying about thinks she can not control or that are to cost prohibitive.
About like saying every driver needs 2 cars for the day one is broke down and in shop.

How many days has the water been off in either of your life times??
Water is one of the last utilities you lose during a storm. And while you may need to boil it for use it is one of the first to come back on. A storm usually does not damage the pipe line because it is in the ground but rather the pumping station. Since this is a community water supply it is top priority after the storm.

Now on the other hand how long do you think 70 gallons is going to last. Yes it will last a while for drinking but you need to flush the toilet and I am sorry after a week or so with no electricity or A/C I need a bath.

Most usually keep old milk jugs filled with water and fill bath tubs when a storm is coming.
If you are in a major disaster where the water is off a week or more the national guard will be trucking in water any way.

If you have to have the tank you do not need to mount it above the house. Put a faucet on the bottom of the tank and draw it straight from the tank after a storm instead of trying to force it in the house plumbing. Make sure you have a check valve so your tank of water does not back feed into the street pipes when the pressure goes out.

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Nebraska Cowman

07-26-2006 10:54:05




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 Re: water well decision in reply to kenTx, 07-26-2006 10:46:36  
I don't know. Do you have a water heater? there's 30 gal or more reseve. Do you have a toilet? there's another 3-4 gallons. And if there is a bad storm coming I always draw out a gal or so for drinking water.

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Farmer in the Dells (WI)

07-26-2006 14:07:42




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 Re: water well decision in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 07-26-2006 10:54:05  
Don't forget to turn off the heat source if your tapping into the water heater for backup water. The gas will be wasted and if its electric and the electrodes are out of the water and hot when the cold water hits them again, chances are you will be replacing them too. Those were a major seller at the hardware store every spring when cabin people open up and turn the power on before refilling the tanks in the spring.

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