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OT: classic truck brakes

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nballen

07-24-2006 12:46:46




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Well, I don't have a tractor yet, but I figgured the next best thing is a classic truck, right?

So, I am rebuilding the brake components on a 1952 IH L-162 (GVW 16,000) - truck is parked at a friend's house 300 miles away. Parts haven't been a problem, until I got to the hydrovac booster unit. Automotive parts shops haven't had anything, local International dealer pretty much laughed at me.

There's no tag on the unit, but a local (boise, ID) shop identified it as a '6 3/4" Series 3' Hydrovac. Any ideas where to find a rebuild kit for this? I don't like the idea of spending $300 for a rebuilt unit, when I can do the labor myself. (Besides spending half the price of the truck on a single part!)

So...Any ideas where to find the rubber / leather parts to bring this back to usin' condition?

Thanks,

Nathaniel
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Randy as in Randy-IA

07-24-2006 17:40:27




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 Re: OT: classic truck brakes in reply to nballen, 07-24-2006 12:46:46  
Hi , I don't know about an IH that old but in the late sixties and seventies they used to source their parts from the big three - GM , Ford and Chrysler . Might be worth checking . But then that's only for the light trucks . Good luck ...Randy



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KEB

07-24-2006 15:36:21




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 Re: OT: classic truck brakes in reply to nballen, 07-24-2006 12:46:46  
Couple thoughts...

First, are you trying to keep it all original or are you looking to make it a driver?

Second, is there a way you could mount a power steering pump on the engine?

If you're interested in a truck that's safe to drive, I'd suggest upgrading the brake system to a more modern dual circuit hydroboost unit. They're not much larger than a non-power master cylinder, not like a vacuum booster with that humongous diaphram to worry about. A lot of panel trucks/motorhomes/etc. in that weight range used them, and they're easy to find from a junkyard to use as a core on a rebuilt.

I have an '56 Willys pickup I'm thinking about doing the same thing to. They have a single circuit master cylinder mounted in an odd place, and a hydroboost would provide a lot of flexibility in coming up with a linkage. I had an old Dodge motorhome one time that had single circuit brakes with a hydrovac booster unit. Never had any problems, but always worried about its braking capabilities. As I get older, the last thing I want is to have to stand on the brakes just to slow down a little...

Good luck,

Keith

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nballen

07-24-2006 16:27:38




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 Re: OT: classic truck brakes in reply to KEB, 07-24-2006 15:36:21  
Does "Original-Driver" make sense?

Actually, thats a good suggestion. As this point, I want to get the truck running and operational so I can drive it home where its more convenient to work on. Josephine was upgraded to 12V, but hasn't run in ~7 years. She was "properly" put to bed, but left out in a field. A friend was driving by and saw the owner starting to strip down the body...

To make a long story short, we rescued a "near perfect" L-162 from becoming a body donor to a more modern pickup chassis.

Nathaniel

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Joe(TX)

07-24-2006 14:32:09




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 Re: OT: classic truck brakes in reply to nballen, 07-24-2006 12:46:46  
I was able to get one rebuilt for a Dodge at a truck brake rebuilder in Fort Worth. Ogburn brake is their name



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GA JACK

07-24-2006 14:00:16




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 Re: OT: classic truck brakes in reply to nballen, 07-24-2006 12:46:46  
TRY THESE PEOPLE FOR INFO FOR SOME ONE IN YOUR AREA, "BRAKE SPECIALTY" ATLANTA GA. PHONE 404 659
8722. GOOD LUCK, jackie

PS. RUSTY MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.



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RustyFarmall

07-24-2006 13:43:11




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 Re: OT: classic truck brakes in reply to nballen, 07-24-2006 12:46:46  
I have driven trucks when the booster unit failed. Believe me, it is not fun. When that booster unit fails, you have no brakes, you cannot stand on that pedal hard enough to make that truck even start to slow down. Brakes are not a place to skimp and try to save money. Spend the $300, get a professionally rebuilt unit, and be done with it. If it fails and someone gets hurt, at least you will have someone else to lay the blame on.

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nballen

07-24-2006 14:34:27




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 Re: OT: classic truck brakes in reply to RustyFarmall, 07-24-2006 13:43:11  
Hi Rusty,

I do hear you on the failed brakes - its downright scary! About 4 years ago, I blew a wheel cylinder on my '63 dodge. I was pulling a trailer (with brakes) at the time, so that helped...just not enough!

I hope you didn't misunderstand me - I'm not trying to skimp on this project - which I why I am tearing into the booster, not just rebuilding the wheel cylinders and master cylinder. On the other hand, I don't have a very big bank to try and break, either!

Could you be specific on why I should "get a professionally rebuilt unit"?

Is rebuilding booster significantly different from rebuilding a master cylinder or wheel cylinders? Is there a warranty on rebuilt units, or is the operator still on the hook for any damages? (It seems like it would be difficult to prove faulty components or workmanship in a rebuilt unit.)

I want to do a good job with this project - to have a usable truck that is safe and enjoyable to operate. Anyhow, seems like whether I want to be or not, I am responsible for the safe operation of any equipment I am using (whether owned, borrowed, or rented)!

Best Regards,

Nathaniel

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RustyFarmall

07-24-2006 14:57:04




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 Re: OT: classic truck brakes in reply to nballen, 07-24-2006 14:34:27  
I am thinking that once you tear into it, you will find that the cylinder bores are pitted. The tolerances are close enough on these units, and master cylinders also, that you cannot hone the cylinders until they are clean and smooth. If you do, then the cylinder bore will be too large, and the seals and pistons will by-pass the brake fluid, which will leave you with NO brakes. There are some car manufacturers today that do not even offer a brake master cylinder rebuild kit because of the liability factor. You can only buy a new unit.

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Gary in Mozarks

07-24-2006 13:57:52




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 Re: OT: classic truck brakes in reply to RustyFarmall, 07-24-2006 13:43:11  
I agree with Rusty, But I would add I have seen those units on Dodge and Ford big trucks too, so you might check out old ford truck sites as there is much more out there for old fords. G



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