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Need advice! Bro-in-law has Dad's tractor!

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Brian in NY

07-20-2006 09:57:37




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Here's the short story. Dad loaned my brother in law his Farmall B so he could plow his driveway. Since then, brother in law has obtained his own Farmall H with plow, everything works good.
Brother in law does not have a pole building, etc.
Both the H and the B sit outside.
The B is starting to show the scars. The steering wheel rotting off, tractor is starting to rust pretty good. It still runs fine; and works fine. Brother in law doesn't really use it at all; of course the H makes a much better snow plow machine so the B is only used as a backup.
One time last winter he had to use it when the H carb froze up.
Asked Dad about the tractor. Advised him maybe he should just get the tractor back and use it.
Dad says nothing much...don't think he wants to ask for it back.
Asked Dad yesterday if it would be ok with him if I at least get the tractor from Brother in law and bring it to my place and clean it up and give it a quick paint job just to keep it from falling apart.
Dad said nothing.
What would you do? I grew up around this tractor, many sentimental memories for me and it really burns me to see it rot away with minimal usage. I have learned in the past not to let these types of situations cause a family feud. I like my brother in law and we have a good relationship, if somewhat of a distant relationship.
I appreciate your input!
By the way...in case this brings up old memories...my quest to track down Grandpa's H is over. Good news and bad news. Did track it down conclusively. Bad news...subsequent owner rolled it over heavy down into a gully. The owner survived but the tractor was damaged beyond repair and scrapped. At least I can rest!

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The Dukester

07-20-2006 18:33:26




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 Re: Need advice! Bro-in-law has Dad's tractor! in reply to Brian in NY, 07-20-2006 09:57:37  
It's sad, but stuff like this happens all the time....it's life, I guess. Granddad's beloved 30-60 Oil Pull that he bought brand new and ran for 26 years threshing and doing other custom work that raised a family of 9 children went out of the family and none of we grandkids ever got a "shot" at it because an uncle thought we shouldn't have it. He traded it on a IH Scout pickup which lasted him about 6 years. (A POS) I musta pulled the big lever bar to start that Rumely for Granddad a hundred times or more and a few times for my uncle who "took it over" while his brothers, my dad included, stood around and played with themselves. The IH dealer let it set on his lot for 5 years rusting in the Michigan acid rain saying he was gonna restore it eventually. (He later confessed to me that it wasn't to be sold to me or my brothers) Then he up and sold it to some big moneyed collector from upstate and none of us know whatever became of it. I don't care anymore but it sort of hurt for a while. Relatives just plain suck sometimes....,but that's life, uh, yeah.

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730virgil

07-20-2006 19:47:26




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 Re: Need advice! Bro-in-law has Dad's tractor! in reply to The Dukester, 07-20-2006 18:33:26  
friend of mine granddad left 2 farms to freinds uncle his mother got money . uncle kicked friend out got more rent money from someone else . wouldn't sell farm to friend either



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Unclemerle

07-20-2006 19:46:43




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 Re: Need advice! Bro-in-law has Dad's tractor! in reply to The Dukester, 07-20-2006 18:33:26  
Oh so true! I went through the same type situation and ended up living by the following statement. One can chose his friends but not his family. I"m yes the black sheep of the family but who cares as I can still look myself in the mirror.

Merle



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The Dukester

07-20-2006 18:33:10




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 Re: Need advice! Bro-in-law has Dad's tractor! in reply to Brian in NY, 07-20-2006 09:57:37  
It's sad, but stuff like this happens all the time....it's life, I guess. Granddad's beloved 30-60 Oil Pull that he bought brand new and ran for 26 years threshing and doing other custom work that raised a family of 9 children went out of the family and none of we grandkids ever got a "shot" at it because an uncle thought we shouldn't have it. He traded it on a IH Scout pickup which lasted him about 6 years. (A POS) I musta pulled the big lever bar to start that Rumely for Granddad a hundred times or more and a few times for my uncle who "took it over" while his brothers, my dad included, stood around and played with themselves. The IH dealer let it set on his lot for 5 years rusting in the Michigan acid rain saying he was gonna restore it eventually. (He later confessed to me that it wasn't to be sold to me or my brothers) Then he up and sold it to some big moneyed collector from upstate and none of us know whatever became of it. I don't care anymore but it sort of hurt for a while. Relatives just plain suck sometimes....,but that's life, uh, yeah.

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Mark - IN.

07-20-2006 17:35:08




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 Re: Need advice! Bro-in-law has Dad's tractor! in reply to Brian in NY, 07-20-2006 09:57:37  
Like said before, mention it to your sister. Maybe your Dad's mum because he's more burned up, but wants to keep the peace. Maybe mention it to your brother-in-law, "Wow, this ol' girl sure is taking a beating...".

My brother lives south a bit in Millersburg, and a couple of years ago I helped him drop some stuff off at his church, and there sat this NF Ford 4000 at the edge of the parking lot. Sheet metal was all there, but sure is taking a beating. The fella whom owns it lives in Kentucky or Tennesee, and loaned it to his brother up here a couple of decades ago. As I understand it, for the most part it gets tinkered with and fired up once a year, maybe couple of years. And where ever it gets shut off, thats where it sits until next year or so. My brother says the church members would like it gone, and the fella who's leaving it set is the nicest, easiest going, give you the shirt off of his back kind've fella, so no one will mention it to him but keep suggesting that someone do it. So my brother asked me to make an offer to the fella. I looked it over, and sure needs some attention, but would make a great little tractor that I neither want nor need, but what the heck...throw her in the barn and tinker with it when get time, and who knows? Ok, oh brother of mine, ask the fella if he'll sell it, and if the deal's ok, I'll pick it up. A couple of weeks later my brother mentions that the fella says no, aint for sale. That was over a year ago. Been meaning to drive by and see if its still setting the next time I'm down that way, but always forget. Maybe next time. Sure was taking a unexcused weathering and dryrotting the last time I saw it though. Don't remember if it even had a coffee can over the stack back then.

Mark

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Steve Crum

07-20-2006 16:51:29




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 Re: Need advice! Bro-in-law has Dad's tractor! in reply to Brian in NY, 07-20-2006 09:57:37  
Mention to your sister that you would like to have the tractor. I she doesn't respond or responds negatively, just drop it and give sister the chill. Obviously your opportunity to find out what your family really thinks of you. I was raised the b**tard stepchild by Dad. In his later years, Dad and I were best of friends and worked together constantly. Dad gave me his guns and his backhoe shortly before he died. My younger half sister was co-executor of Dad's estate. She demanded market value for the backhoe (I didn't have anything in writing from Dad, so I paid it) and a day before Dad's auction I got a telephone call from the auctioneer notifying me that if I did not turn over the guns to him at the beginning of the auction, my half sister would report them as STOLEN to the Pennsylvania State Police. So I was stuck. I turned them over to the auctioneer as required, they brought a little bit of nothing and I lost something of Dad that can never be replaced.
Once the estate was settled, half sister wanted a hug in the lawyer's office, I shoved her away abruptly and told her to go back to California and enjoy and hug her money with her "60 year old teenager" husband. I refuse to have anymore to do with her.

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champspa

07-20-2006 15:54:06




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 Re: Need advice! Bro-in-law has Dad's tractor! in reply to Brian in NY, 07-20-2006 09:57:37  
are you a stepchild,redheaded,and don't look like anyone else in the family? Maybe he wants you sis to have it. what do you think could be.



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Midwest redneck

07-20-2006 14:55:47




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 Re: Need advice! Bro-in-law has Dad's tractor! in reply to Brian in NY, 07-20-2006 09:57:37  
Thats a tuffy.....But I would go to your dad and say "hey dad I will give you X $$$$$ for your B". And see what he says. Dont get into a *issing match with your BIL over it, a family feud isnt worth it.



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Billy NY

07-20-2006 14:50:30




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 Re: Need advice! Bro-in-law has Dad's tractor! in reply to Brian in NY, 07-20-2006 09:57:37  
I had a similar one, in the late 70's dad lent out his old D7, and it stayed at his friends place for 25 years. I went and found it in '01 and asked him for possession of it, I had just bought another one in great condition about 1000 serial numbers apart, so even for parts ( perish the thought ! ) it was worth retrieving it, I paid a friend to help me get it, 2 lowboys one brought a D-5 over to pushload it the other to ship it, took 4-5 hours and cost me $500, but the same darn thing applies, had a lot of memories and I enjoy working on these, I hope to get it operational and improve the undercarriage and have dear old dad give me a ride on it like when I was a kid, hard to say why we like these old machines, but it is a nice thing to keep em going and pass em down.

I like junk yard dog's idea, make an offer, buy it legit if dad agrees. I think 2 grown men having a dispute over a tractor is ridiculous, I'd explain your reasons, does have sentiment value to you, plenty of tractors to go around, if a B is his fancy.

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MF Poor

07-20-2006 14:34:46




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 Re: Need advice! Bro-in-law has Dad's tractor! in reply to Brian in NY, 07-20-2006 09:57:37  
The story sounds a lot like a simular turn of evens with my FIL's tractor and a couple of my brother-in-laws. (Father/son/son-in-law) Being on the outside looking in, I had a good perspective of what was really happening. The SIL got FIL's old Oliver (1650) It wasn't just happenstance. SIL, with his wife in tow, went to FIL and asked for it. FIL let him have it. Son came along and wanted it too. FIL, not wanting to start a fight, just kept his mouth shut. (Not exactly the right way to handle things, but after all, it is his tractor. He has the right to do whatever he so desires with it.) He told me later, had he known what trouble all this was going to cause, he would have sold the tractor to whom ever offered the most, favoring total strangers over his own family.

"Dad" did what he wanted and son got his feelings hurt. Nothing the old man could have done at that stage would have solved the problem. He was only going to make someone mad. He'd already upset one family member, why make that TWO.

I'm not trying to say this is what happened in your case, just that it's your dads decision and that's that.

I'd start by talking it over with your BIL. Let him know how much you'd like to keep your fathers old tractor. You'd be suprised at how some folks can be understanding when you don't expect that to happen. If that fails, well, talk to dad one more time. Then you just have to except a bitter pill if you don't get what you want. That's the way life is sometimes.

And yes, I do think it's a shame to let a tractor with that much sentimental value go to waste. That's what finally happened to my FIL's Oliver.

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Brian in Ohio

07-20-2006 14:14:07




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 Re: Need advice! Bro-in-law has Dad's tractor! in reply to Brian in NY, 07-20-2006 09:57:37  
I don't think they mean STEAL it. However, based on what you are telling us, the BIL doesn't OWN the tractor anymore than YOU do. If it belongs to your Dad, and you are claiming it on his behalf, then I don't see an illegal action here.

Now, I am assuming that this BIL is married to your sister? Maybe the best course of action is speaking with HER, and getting her on your side. Explain that your intentions is to save Dad's tractor from sitting idle and wasting away. Maybe she can help break the ice...

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dr.sportster

07-20-2006 14:04:07




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 Re: Need advice! Bro-in-law has Dad's tractor! in reply to Brian in NY, 07-20-2006 09:57:37  
Ask your Dad what his thoughts are on it and you need his input here.Some of the other responses are hilarious but not real rational.



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Brian in NY

07-20-2006 13:48:24




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 Re: Need advice! Bro-in-law has Dad's tractor! in reply to Brian in NY, 07-20-2006 09:57:37  
I must say I am a bit surprised by all the folks who think I should just steal it from my brother in law's house. I am not clear on how that would be either legal or diplomatic.

Am I way off base?



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Jonfarmer

07-20-2006 13:46:00




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 Re: Need advice! Bro-in-law has Dad's tractor! in reply to Brian in NY, 07-20-2006 09:57:37  
Heck with the parts the way that it is, you'll be able to fix it up years from now. The steering wheel isn't much and you can buy them right off this site. Paint is fading?, sure, but I have fixed old tractors that have sat for long long periods of time outdoors. The tractor isn't yours, it belongs to your dad, and he obviously wants him to have it. So what would you do with this tractor?, your dad probably figgures your brother in law has more use for it than you do. Others are just saying to go get it, but that is really bold, especially since you dad didn't say you could have it when you asked, and believe me folks, you DO NOT WANT SOMEONE ANGRY AT YOU, that is not very nice and can lead to nasty things done back and forth to each other, especially when it's your own family thats angry at you, and it really isn't worth it for some old piece of iron. Yes, you might try buying the tractor from your dad, or you might develop a need for it and ask to borrow it, and sort of take it over, but thats kinda wrong too. If you want a B, why don't you take a look in the photo ads, they're all built the same, the only thing thats going to be any different is the serial number.

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B-maniac

07-20-2006 12:50:50




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 Re: Need advice! Bro-in-law has Dad's tractor! in reply to Brian in NY, 07-20-2006 09:57:37  
Have you ever heard of the saying " SOMETIMES IT'S BETTER TO ASK FOR FORGIVINESS THAN TO ASK FOR PERMISSION" ? Do what these people say.Get the tractor and explain it later.Your brother-in-law and your father have already proven to you that posession is 100% of the law at least when it comes to that tractor.Cause bitter feelings? Better HIS than yours!



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doogdoog

07-20-2006 12:42:48




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 Re: Need advice! Bro-in-law has Dad's tractor! in reply to Brian in NY, 07-20-2006 09:57:37  
Aloha, There may be more to it so that is why dad is not talking (trying to keep the peace). The key to it is your dad, so I would try to get the facts from him before doing anything to cause a family feud.

Mahalo,
doogdoog



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ncdiesel48

07-20-2006 12:39:25




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 Re: Need advice! Bro-in-law has Dad's tractor! in reply to Brian in NY, 07-20-2006 09:57:37  
Ok This is your brother in law right? Why don't you ask your sister about it? She would be better to ask simply because she would know what you are talking about with the sentimental value part. Offer your dad money for it for gods sake save the tractor.



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JohnDeereGreen

07-20-2006 11:23:06




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 Re: Need advice! Bro-in-law has Dad's tractor! in reply to Brian in NY, 07-20-2006 09:57:37  
This sounds like one of those situations where no matter what you do, someone's gonna be upset. I think I would try the diplomatic approach at first, saying you want to restore or some other line like that. Since he dosen't use it anyway, what difference does it make to him? If that dosen't work, then I think I would just show up one day with a truck and trailer and take it. If it has as much value to you as it sounds, I don't think this option would be too difficult. All value aside, it's a shame to let it just sit outside and rot away. Save it while you still have something to redo. Good luck. I hate family situations like this. Everyone ends up loosing.
JohnDeereGreen

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Jerry/MT

07-20-2006 11:17:34




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 Re: Need advice! Bro-in-law has Dad's tractor! in reply to Brian in NY, 07-20-2006 09:57:37  
You've talked to your dad and he doesn't seem to care one way or the other so why don't you talk to your brother-in-law?

Tell him that Dad's tractor has a sentimental value to you, it's going to wreck and ruin, he's not using it, and ask him to let you have it to take care of. It's kind of a luxury to have a tractor used only for plowing snow in the winter and having a back up for that that sitting unused and deteriorating.
The worst he could say is no and you'd be right back where you are right now.

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souNdguy

07-20-2006 11:00:00




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 Re: Need advice! Bro-in-law has Dad's tractor! in reply to Brian in NY, 07-20-2006 09:57:37  
I'd go the honest but 'vauge' approach. Tell the BIL that you would like to come pick up the tractor and do a minor refurb on it to make it last longer.. I.E. service and tune up, and a coat of paint. That at least should get it to your place. From there... it may be a non issue.

Also.. Your BIL should invest in a 99$ tube frame/tarp structure to keep those gems out of the elements.. even if only part time.. etc.

Soundguy

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Animal

07-20-2006 10:50:55




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 Re: Need advice! Bro-in-law has Dad's tractor! in reply to Brian in NY, 07-20-2006 09:57:37  
Go crazy, kick his a$$! this heat doesn't bother me bother me bother me..... ..... .....



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Mike M

07-20-2006 10:37:33




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 Re: Need advice! Bro-in-law has Dad's tractor! in reply to Brian in NY, 07-20-2006 09:57:37  
Pull the same trick he did. Say you need to plow your driveway go over and get it and then leave it locked up at your house.



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bill mar

07-20-2006 10:24:33




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 Re: Need advice! Bro-in-law has Dad's tractor! in reply to Brian in NY, 07-20-2006 09:57:37  
If dad isnt going to say anything why not run your feelings for the tractor past the brother inlaw.Tell him the tractor has sentimental value to you and all you want to do is keep the tractor from going any further down hill looks wise.the worst he can say is no.Just a thought. bill m.



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dab

07-20-2006 10:20:29




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 Re: Need advice! Bro-in-law has Dad's tractor! in reply to Brian in NY, 07-20-2006 09:57:37  
I don't even know why I am responding to this cus usually I stay out of stuff that isn't my business but ultimatly it is you dad's tractor and he can do what he wants with it. Maybe you should offer to buy it from him if it has this much value to you. Not trying to start an argument at all and hope you take it that way, but just my oppion.



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teamjunkyard

07-20-2006 10:55:07




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 Re: Need advice! Bro-in-law has Dad's tractor! in reply to dab, 07-20-2006 10:20:29  
give me a break on the "not my business " stuff,, Go there with gas can and drive it home, don't let a dead beat ruin a nice tractor that means this much to you, if he balks at your taking it his friend ship is not much of a loss.



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Junk Yard Dog

07-20-2006 11:06:39




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 Re: Need advice! Bro-in-law has Dad's tractor! in reply to teamjunkyard, 07-20-2006 10:55:07  
Offer your dad a fair price for the tractor and if he sells it to you get something in writing. If he does sell to you pay him in full. If he doesn't give you an answer or doesn't want to sell, just go out and buy your own tractor and don't worry about it. Sounds like this could be one of those bs family things with your sister involved. JYD



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