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old

07-17-2006 15:00:46




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How do you get the city slicker want to be farm to do things as they should be done with out makeing him/them mad. Friend of mine want to be farm cut hay last week, then it rained then had a couple nice hot days to dry it out again. Well did he bale it, nope he took off for the weekend end and figures on baleingit tomorrow, maybe if he has time. I figure by now with temps being up around 100 for the weekend that its probably closer to straw then hay. He also does the same thing with animals and say well I get to the tomorrow when they need to be worked on yesterday. It took me 25 plus years to learn but I was also around farms when I was young one of these guys is from New York city and the other day his lawn was more important then taking care of a sick animal. Just a little bit of a rant. To bad a 2X4 doesn't work LOL

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Billy NY

07-18-2006 05:48:02




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 Re: Heres a Question for you in reply to old, 07-17-2006 15:00:46  
That is a tough one, it takes an articulate person and then some to get someone to listen or try something new sometimes, and you don't want to over step your boundaries either. It's good to see you are kind of working togther, leading by example is the only thing that seems to work for in situations like that and I have grown tired of trying to be helpful to people who don't appreciate it, also keeping in mind a preference for staying out of others affairs unless they ask or really need a hand getting something done.

I've learned to distance myself from our place, where we have 20 something horses at moment. It's the same situation, confident about what you know and what you can do, having an eye for details, and doing things properly, seems to get in the way, more than help. You see money being wasted on things, inefficient work practices, and hired help as worthless as they come, at least in the first year I have observed. Oh and I tried, nothing like pulling the pin on a grenade and holding onto it LOL.... talking to a wall comes to mind too LOL !!! Now, a year ago, I hired someone who is about 30, local person from a family with farm property, who enjoys what he does. He's still there and a really good sort, we work well together and he does right by watching the place and taking care of the horses which he takes a lot of pride in. Through careful planning we have both worked together to expose the bad habits of someone who has been a payroll leach for there for years and as much as I told them he was worthless, they never listened. Dear old dad hired a guy last year who was shooting up oxycontin, and a real jerk, would take our tractor a few miles down the road without asking to get beer etc. etc. The nerve of some people. I've learned to control myself, but one afternoon I warmed up on a steel dumpster and was headed for him next, my guy got in between us and saved him from a violent beating and me from assaulting the guy. Bringing drugs like that to a place where kids come for lessons and training, our neighbor was afraid to send his kids over alone, that was all it took, hey it ain't my place but but being a blood relative, no I aint gonna walk away, I take no crap from anyone when your on our soil. I know it ain't right and I'd have caused myself a lot of grief, but this guy barely escaped my rage towards him, I let into dear old dad over unfortunatel too, called him an idiot ! ( The kid who knows it all and the father who knows nothing mentality LOL - well I'm still young at heart and take a lot of pride in what I do, he understands that, we get along fine, always respect the guy no matter what )

He hired a dud and a dangerous one too, he may have been a molester as well. I respect my father but for awhile there he did not seem himself, hiring and putting up with such crap, he was a special forces guy, Nam and when I was a kid at the place where I reside now all these years later, it was not long after he served his country, the guy would put up with no crap and even cleaned up a bunch of wiseacres in a local establisment one night, which I heard about from other locals years later,which I'd have not believed, he never really discussed much about his days in the service until years later and I'm sure he was well trained, so I'd imagine the possibilities now, not then. He'd have never put up with this crap from anyone and if badgered enough, you'd best watch your step years ago, and to know him you'd not think he would be dangerous to your health by any means if you crossed him.

I eventually went and spoke to the state police, about the situation, also asking people I knew in the NYS police how to handle it without going the route that would have gotten me in trouble, as well as several other agencies to see if any outstanding warrants were out on the guy, I had copied his ID and SSN before his last check was given, a practice that should be done at the hiring. I had already fired him, nope can't do that, so I had suffer with a guy all summer that most people would have probably killed and buried in the back. Myself and the guy I hired finally exposed the guy and he was fired, but all the while the distraction was immense and kept me from being able to enjoy the place and do productive work, because I had to re-do his everyday and he was paid to do it, I always told them, help is first, I'll take left overs.

The most recent firing took months to expose the guy, and he was another one who could have suffered the wrath, I went by his place and discovered abused animals, barely fed, dogs stacked in cages, and I said to dad, this is the kind of guy you think is of moral standards and takes care of the horses you all seem to love so much..... I'd post a photo of his dump, but it don't matter, I did some heavy reconaissance at his place and he did get a visit from several authorities, I told him point blank, I'd best never see him step foot on this place again, and if I hear of any retalliation, he'd have himself a lot of trouble on his hands. Here's a guy who does not shower or clean himself, stinks to high heaven, drives a mobile landfill, has a fortune in the bank, no running water, electricity, house is filled with garbage, ininhabitable, he lives in a little trailer surrounded by garbage and junk. Don't drink though, but he was a heavy boozer years ago, no all of this is none of my business, but you don't come to work and represent our place reeking of filth and looking the same. He was worthless, the money they wasted on the little work he did. Well, it took long enough and he was fired, and now the old man is himself again, don't get in his way. He actually fired an arrogant, unbearable newlywed couple from the other big farm we are associated with, now that is nerve I tell ya and it stuck, I thinks he's himself again !!!!!

I think now, that I've kept some distance, planted a few seeds about certain things, it's been a lot more effective and I don't get so riled up about the bad things I see and want to change, all the good changes made were done through subtle hints and actions, seems to work much better and I won't end up in cuffs for beating the daylights out of a druggie !

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dhermesc

07-18-2006 05:31:14




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 Re: Heres a Question for you in reply to old, 07-17-2006 15:00:46  
Like Ron White says, "You can't fix stupid".



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Leland

07-18-2006 04:54:24




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 Re: Heres a Question for you in reply to old, 07-17-2006 15:00:46  
Old have you ever thought of proof reading before posting ,at times your posts are a little hard to figure out .



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old

07-18-2006 08:17:24




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 Re: Heres a Question for you in reply to Leland, 07-18-2006 04:54:24  
I always try to do so but some times I get going to fast and don't take the time to do so as I should sorry about that



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Yugrotcart

07-17-2006 15:23:43




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 Re: Heres a Question for you in reply to old, 07-17-2006 15:00:46  
As long as you are communicating with him as to what and when things have to be done. If he isn't listening, then you may be better off without his help,,,,, ,,,,, ,



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old

07-17-2006 15:57:07




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 Re: Heres a Question for you in reply to Yugrotcart, 07-17-2006 15:23:43  
It not me hes helping but the other way around I'm helping him



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IaGary

07-17-2006 16:07:45




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 Re: Heres a Question for you in reply to old, 07-17-2006 15:57:07  
Old there is or was some full time farmers that were like that around here.

Guess what there not farmin anymore and can't understand where they went wrong.

Gary



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old

07-17-2006 16:29:56




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 Re: Heres a Question for you in reply to IaGary, 07-17-2006 16:07:45  
I never grow up on a farm but both my parents did so I learned some from them plus most of the time we lived in or close to farming country so most of the kids I grew up with where from farm familys. My dream when I grew up was to have a farm which I sort of do now its more hobby then famr but I do put up hay and have for the past 25 years and I wasn't luck to have any one tell/show me how. I'm tring to help these 2 guys but its hard to do when they don't listen to me and what I learned by the road of hard knocks. Over the years I probably broke one to many machines just because I didn't know what I was doing but I learned fast and now know how to listen to the machine and take things slow. Just bugs me I guess they have help and don't listen I didn't and sure wish I had

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Yugrotcart

07-17-2006 16:48:00




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 Re: Heres a Question for you in reply to old, 07-17-2006 16:29:56  
I understand now Old. A very frustrating situation that you are in. It's there lose if there not listening to you.



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Bill of TN

07-17-2006 18:47:30




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 Re: Heres a Question for you in reply to Yugrotcart, 07-17-2006 16:48:00  
Respectfully, did he ask for your advice or did you just give it to him?

Maybe you should worry about your farming and let him worry about his.....

As I've been told, the streets of he!! are paved with the best of intentions. I'm sure you're just trying to be a good neighbor, but some times people are put off by to much "assistance", and no one likes to be told what to do.....

Like my daddy said, if you can't learn the easy way then learn the hard way..... and if your going to be dumb you better be tough!

Hang in their Old..... you'll straighten that city boy out!

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old

07-17-2006 18:58:58




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 Re: Heres a Question for you in reply to Bill of TN, 07-17-2006 18:47:30  
Well if I wasn't there running/fixing his equipment he would never get any thing done. So yes he asks for my help and he does pay me a little here and there, plus proveds me with beer when I run out. I'm sort of his machanic and if it wheren't for me his tractors would never run LOL



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Bill of TN

07-17-2006 19:27:57




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 Re: Heres a Question for you in reply to old, 07-17-2006 18:58:58  
Well, you can lead a horse to water..... ..



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old

07-17-2006 19:40:03




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 Re: Heres a Question for you in reply to Bill of TN, 07-17-2006 19:27:57  
Ya I know. He did bring some of the hay from last weks cutting over tonight and a case of beer and asked if it was a lose and I sadi well it will not be real good but at least it will make bedding. So tomorrow I'll be over at his place driveing the tractor baleing the hay and he will be stacking it on the wagon I just built for him. Either way he would either have to bale it or bruch hog it to keep from killing the grass in the field so I figure if its baled at least he can save it for bedding. And maybe I can cop some of it for my garden LOL

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