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Any one ever cut grain with a binder

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Thresherman

07-15-2006 20:43:46




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Our club cut grain today, maybe 19 acres of wheat. Use old ground drive binders, they work good if you take it easy. Its the clubs 50th year this year, and to my suprise I found out that we have been doing the grain wrong the whole time. I was told nobody that knows anything about binding ever uses a bundle carrier. Well I was shocked!!! We had always used them, until this new guy joined. I was just wondering if any one else uses them for grain? Maybe I can learn something.

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The Dukester

07-16-2006 13:48:07




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 Re: Any one ever cut grain with a binder in reply to Thresherman, 07-15-2006 20:43:46  
Anyone who knows much about cutting grain with a binder uses the carrier. You want the bundles in a windrow to make shocking easy as possible. If I'd have cut grain and not used the bundle carrier I'd have done without supper...my grandfather was the thresherman and didn't put up with any nonsense. The grain was used like treasure and cut and shocked in the morning when it was a little cooler and the grain didn't shell too easily. I was taught how to run the binder right, constantly making adjustments to accomodate the varying conditions. It's true the big 8-10 ft. pto tractor binders make a lot of bundles, but you can still windrow the bundles neatly with the carrier...just don't get in a hurry. Pay attention to what you're doing and don't be distracted by the people with cameras and God knows who else who stops to watch.

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Jimmy King

07-16-2006 20:17:55




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 Re: Any one ever cut grain with a binder in reply to The Dukester, 07-16-2006 13:48:07  
Granddad had a 10ft IH pto binder,I just do remember him buying it new when I was very small. He had a 8 ft horse binder before that. We always pulled the binder with my Uncle's B or Dad's Super A in third gear wide open. If it was very wet we would have to put the H on it, not uaually a problem in Southwest MO. I was started driving the tractor when I was about 10, one of the biggest but chewings I ever got was because I wasn't making square corners, and holding the binder over to cut the full 10 ft

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Sloroll

07-16-2006 07:17:43




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 Re: Any one ever cut grain with a binder in reply to Thresherman, 07-15-2006 20:43:46  
I've shocked a lot of oats. I wouldn't have if the bundle carrier would have been removed. We used a JD power binder.



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nh guy

07-16-2006 07:11:11




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 Re: Any one ever cut grain with a binder in reply to Thresherman, 07-15-2006 20:43:46  
We in SD always used bundle carriers on the McCormick binders to keep the bundles together in bunches to shock them. The heat wave is in the news now and it always seemed to be 100 degrees in those days while shocking the oats.Later we also used the binder to windrow the grain like one fellow said. Then combined it with a Massey 26 combine. WOW what a change that was. It had electric header lift and sheave variable speed and no cab. OOOOO--WEEEEE EEEEE EE

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Jimmy King

07-16-2006 13:26:48




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 Re: Any one ever cut grain with a binder in reply to nh guy, 07-16-2006 07:11:11  
Our first combine was a 7 ft clipper, the next one was a Super 26, did you notice when you hit a bump the header would fall 6 inches, still have an old 82 out in the shed. The old 7 ft Clipper got you real good bumping the clutch and slipping the H Farmall in neutral, and later on a AC field chopper.



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David from Kansas

07-16-2006 06:50:00




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 Re: Any one ever cut grain with a binder in reply to Thresherman, 07-15-2006 20:43:46  
Drove the tractor while binding oats in Kansas many, many years ago. We always used the bundle carrier on oats. Made it much easier on the people doing the shocking. We bound other crops including sudan, sumac and millet but didn't use the bundle carrier for those.



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Jimmy King

07-16-2006 05:49:41




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 Re: Any one ever cut grain with a binder in reply to Thresherman, 07-15-2006 20:43:46  
We always used the bundle carrier about 10 or 12 bundles at a time dumped them in a straight row then shocked them. Then you could drive the bundle wagon straight down the row and load them. After we got a combine we took the bundle carrier off, disabled the knotter and used the binder to windrow orchard grass. Maybe that person was too cheep to hire a boy to ride the binder. I never did see any body around here not use the bundle carrier.

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mjbrown

07-16-2006 04:22:57




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 Re: Any one ever cut grain with a binder in reply to Thresherman, 07-15-2006 20:43:46  
I don't have your answer but wanted to add that watching binders work is pretty neat I think. Having used a sythe to trim around buildings and such, I can imagine that the first time the old farmers saw a binder work they must have thought they had died and gone to heaven. Imagine staring five, ten maybe twenty acres of ripe wheat in the face on a hot july day with a sythe in your hand! The binder must have seemed like the pinnacle of mechanized farming.

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Bill(Wis)

07-16-2006 04:10:13




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 Re: Any one ever cut grain with a binder in reply to Thresherman, 07-15-2006 20:43:46  
Hugh MacKay called it. Our grain binder came with a bundle carrier but we never used it. Bundles were so close together in the field that it was no problem. They were already "gathered together".



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Hugh MacKay

07-16-2006 03:08:30




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 Re: Any one ever cut grain with a binder in reply to Thresherman, 07-15-2006 20:43:46  
Thresherman: Bundle carriers are something you use depending how heavy the crop is. They are very useful if your travelling 6' or more between bundles. I have seen bundles lieing end to end on a field. I have also been on a binder in that situation and your a fast talker if you can count to 5 between ties. In that situation the bundle carrier becomes pure grief, and besides bundles are very close for guys shoking.

My dad had a bundle carrier and used it or not depending on the situation.

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JMS/MN

07-15-2006 22:54:14




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 Re: Any one ever cut grain with a binder in reply to Thresherman, 07-15-2006 20:43:46  
You were (shocked) while cutting grain? I thought the biggest problem with using a bundle carrier in mid afternoon was staying awake to count the bundles. Let that guy walk all over the field to gather enough bundles to make a shock. Might have a new appreciation for current technology.



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sammy the RED

07-15-2006 22:14:13




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 Re: Any one ever cut grain with a binder in reply to Thresherman, 07-15-2006 20:43:46  
If that is so, kinda makes ya wonder why they sold all them carriers with them binders ?



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KRUSS

07-16-2006 08:28:10




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 Re: Any one ever cut grain with a binder in reply to sammy the RED, 07-15-2006 22:14:13  
In Manitoba nobody shocked. instead they stooked. And yes they used a bundle carrier.



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Bob N.Y.

07-16-2006 17:37:00




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 Re: Any one ever cut grain with a binder in reply to KRUSS, 07-16-2006 08:28:10  
We stooked in northern N.Y. too.



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