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Danny Prosser

07-13-2006 09:40:39

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Need some advice from my tractor friends.Me and my grandson are building us a shop to work on and keep our tractors.I used electrical poles and framed the top and put on a metal roof.Now we are ready to pour concrete for the floor.My question is being that the poles are supporting the weight can I just get concrete with fibers or do I need to put wire or rebar to?About the heaviest thing going on it will be our 67 Ford 3000 deisel.Thanks.

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B-maniac

07-13-2006 17:39:57

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Re: Tractor Shed in reply to Danny Prosser, 07-13-2006 09:40:39

Don't waist your $$$on fibers! Concrete fails either from voids under it or frost heaving it. You won't have a frost problem where you are.Hard, undisturbed clay makes an excellent base. Scrape it smooth and don't throw in any loose stuff to fill where you got it too low. I would still use some type of "rigid" reinforcement,suspended above the bottom,because it's "cheap" insurance.I don't think you will need to wet it down much if it is hard undisturbed clay.Have it mixed "wet" and don't let the sun shine in on it.The slower the dry,the stronger the concrete! Most people with concrete floor problems either poured it over sand fill that wasn't compacted enough,or the rodents hollowed it out underneath or they live where the ground freezes hard and heaves up.

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Blue Buddy

07-13-2006 16:15:33

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Re: Tractor Shed in reply to Danny Prosser, 07-13-2006 09:40:39

just a trick if you go for the panels, if you do not put "chairs" or something under them to hold em up, make yerself a hook about 3 feet long, then after the concrete has covered the panels you can reach in with the hook and lift the panel, a little practice and it will be in the middle of the slab, gotta love wading around in wet concrete

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TomTX

07-13-2006 12:40:14

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Re: Tractor Shed in reply to Danny Prosser, 07-13-2006 09:40:39

Lay vapor barrier plastic under the slab. Would use #4 or #5 rebar, 18" o.c. in both directions. Overlap the 20 foot pieces about 8 to 12" . Use pigtail and twist wire ties on each "crossing point" and on the overlaps. Stop rebar about 3 inches from edge of slab. Set rebar on plastic "chairs" which suspend it to about center of your slab. Use what we call "five sack" concrete mix. Every slab that I have seen demolished, where they had used the wire mesh, cattle panels, woven wire, etc, when they flip the slab over, there is the mesh, right on the bottom. Rebar is the way to go. Tom

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Bill in NorthCentral PA

07-13-2006 11:33:03

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Re: Tractor Shed in reply to Danny Prosser, 07-13-2006 09:40:39

I think that welded wire mesh is great, applied correctly. All of the concrete I have removed has the wire at the bottom - it must be at the middle (or 3" coverage) to do its job. Personally, I use fiber with rebar (even just #3) in the traffic and high load areas and just fiber everywhere else. The most important point (from other poster) is that the base be very well compacted.) I strongly recommend a heavy layer of Sonneborne Kure-n-Seal or equivalent - I use a short nap paint roller to apply the same day or early morning the next day.

Best of luck,

Bill

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Danny Prosser

07-13-2006 12:14:44

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Re: Tractor Shed in reply to Bill in NorthCentral PA , 07-13-2006 11:33:03

Thanks for all of your replies.I have a bunch of rolls of what we call cyclone fencing that I thought about putting in the bottom.The concrete is going to be 4" thick.I was going to dig some postholes scattered around the middle and dig a little footing where the tractors will be going on it.The ground is real hard clay that my neighbor was digging off of a hill.I leveled it real good.It's packed pretty good.T need to wet it somehow alittle bit.Not living there yet might have to haul water from the pond.

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720Deere

07-14-2006 08:48:30

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Re: Tractor Shed in reply to Danny Prosser, 07-13-2006 12:14:44

Don't put the wire "in the bottom". If you ever watch professionals pour concrete over wire, you will see them pull the wire up into the middle of the concrete. The wire mesh will give no support on the bottom of the concrete. Another method would be to set the wire on "chairs" as they do with rebar, but it's not as easy as rebar because the wire is not rigid enough to support itself.

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RustyFarmall

07-13-2006 11:24:41

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Re: Tractor Shed in reply to Danny Prosser, 07-13-2006 09:40:39

Just my opinion but if you want it to last you should use the time tested and honored method. Put re-bar in it. A little money spent now will save you doing it over in a few years.

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Tim Shultz

07-13-2006 10:54:59

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Re: Tractor Shed in reply to Danny Prosser, 07-13-2006 09:40:39

I would just buy some cattle panels and use that for rebar.. works rather good, and does not cost much.. just my .02
Tim shultz

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dhermesc

07-13-2006 12:05:54

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Re: Tractor Shed in reply to Tim Shultz, 07-13-2006 10:54:59

We always used to use old hog wire (sheep wire) for reinforcement and cattle panels in traffic areas (doorways etc).

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Nebraska Cowman

07-13-2006 10:20:28

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Re: Tractor Shed in reply to Danny Prosser, 07-13-2006 09:40:39

If you have a good firm base it don't take much concrete to make a good floor.

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mjbrown

07-13-2006 10:15:12

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Re: Tractor Shed in reply to Danny Prosser, 07-13-2006 09:40:39

I put fiber reinforced concrete in my 36'x60' shop in upstate NY , no wire . 4000lb concrete in two pours 18'x60' five inches thick . I have two small cracks on one side. I didn't put relief grooves in it. If I had it to do over I would use fiber and wire for the peace of mind. Floor is about six years old. I compacted the dirt real well and put plastic under the 'crete.

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JMS/MN

07-13-2006 10:00:37

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Re: Tractor Shed in reply to Danny Prosser, 07-13-2006 09:40:39

Depends where you live- frozen ground an issue? Personally, I'm not impressed with fiber concrete- always use wire or rebar.

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Danny Prosser

07-13-2006 10:05:47

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Re: Tractor Shed in reply to JMS/MN, 07-13-2006 10:00:37

I live in Memphis TN.We get some ground freeze but not to much.

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huntingreen

07-13-2006 21:51:51

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Re: Tractor Shed in reply to Danny Prosser, 07-13-2006 10:05:47

Use 5,000 lb concrete on a 4 or 5 slump. Don't add any water. If you pour piers like you are tlking about that will be great. If you use the cattle panels set them on the plastic chairs. Tie the panels together. I put 30 piers in my 40 x 60 and uset 1/2 rebar on 2 ft centers. installed 1990. Not a crack yet over 3 ft fill dirt compacted with a truck loaded with rock. I have never seen fiber concrete do anything but crack.

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old

07-13-2006 10:51:33

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Re: Tractor Shed in reply to Danny Prosser, 07-13-2006 10:05:47

Have a freind that has that fiber stuff and he hates it. Something about when you lay on the floor the stuff gets in your shirt and causes a person to itch.

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