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OT q's for David, King of England

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monomechanical

07-12-2006 07:18:49




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David: How long is your growing season where you are? What do you do "off-season"? Are the prices you get sufficient to keep you from a second job? Many farmers in the U.S. teach school. Uncommon in England?

Perhaps you could supplement income by taking U.S. farmers on a "Farm Tour of England"!

mono

(Asked these questions before but lost the post.)




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jmixigo

07-12-2006 18:24:58




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 Re: OT q's for David, King of England in reply to monomechanical, 07-12-2006 07:18:49  
Cattle, hay, soybeans,cotton, and peanuts are the main cash crops here in Alabama, but local wits claim that the only way to make a living off 100 acres is to grow marajuana-untill the State forces you into their "retirement" program.



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Chick

07-12-2006 18:14:27




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 Re: OT q's for David, King of England in reply to monomechanical, 07-12-2006 07:18:49  
Where I live, in extreme southeast Texas, when I was a kid, rice was king. Then as I entered my teenage years, soybeans took over. It was the early '80's, if I rememebr right, the bottom fell out of both crop prices. Now, I thinkt he only thing grown in my county is hay. A couple of years ago, one farmer put in about 200 acres of rice, but I don't think he did it last year, and not sure about this year either. So, it's hay and cows here.

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jones in texas

07-12-2006 09:06:42




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 Re: OT q's for David, King of England in reply to monomechanical, 07-12-2006 07:18:49  
I will add that the temp yesterday was 105 degrees. We had a very light shower of rain last night. Better than none.



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jones in texas

07-12-2006 08:56:15




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 Re: OT q's for David, King of England in reply to monomechanical, 07-12-2006 07:18:49  
David The area where I now live is mostly cattle ranching in very rough uneven pastures and canyons much like you see in western movies.There is also a large amount of dryland farming of cotton.We have had very little rainfall this year . Will have a very poor crop to harvest. The area Imoved from was on the high plains of Texas and very flat but has many deep wells for irrigation.Also large amount of cotton grown with very high yields. I would like to add that their is an English man that is a cotton buyer worldwide.He attented Texas Tech college and married a local woman. Most farmers here have to farm several thousand acres to be profitable and use very large tractors . Mostly John Deere and very large equipment.very expensive.

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monomechanical

07-12-2006 08:14:36




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 Difficult indeed . . . in reply to monomechanical, 07-12-2006 07:18:49  
David:
It's impossible, I believe, to make much of a living-support a family of four--in the U.S., with 100 good, arable acres. Like many other business endeavors, quantity and efficiency are the criteria of success. The one exception to this rule is organic vegetable farming, I think, which is very labor intensive.

Other posters may have different opinions/experiences?

mono



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Matt from CT

07-12-2006 10:22:49




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 Comment on Organic... in reply to monomechanical, 07-12-2006 08:14:36  
Vermont is at 10% Organic dairy farms this year.

It's expected to be at 20% next year based on the number of farms in the pipeline.

If I recall correctly, it's about a 3 year transition period from the time you adopt organic methods until you can receive the organic certification -- during that time you have the worst of both worlds, lower productivity due to fewer chemical inputs and lower prices given standard commodities.

The market is very strong for organic milk right now -- some of the large companies like Stonyfield have actually had to drop some of their organic products for lack of milk.

I don't think the labor is much greater for organic milk...maybe for cultivating corn instead of spraying. I'd say you'd expect lower production for the amount of labor, but even at that I've seen statistics that show that's not always true mainly because the better soil from organic methods is more resilent to dry and wet spells. It becomes even more competetive on a net basis (less the cost of inputs).

A few years back I saw a ~160 acre farm for sale in Upstate New York that was an organic dairy...oh, the day dreams since I could've sold my house in CT for at least 2/3rds of the farm price in NY. Convert from dairy to organic beef so I could reduce my labor their, and do remote computer consulting as my main income :)

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monomechanical

07-12-2006 10:37:45




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 Re: Comment on Organic... in reply to Matt from CT, 07-12-2006 10:22:49  
Matt:
Reports from others confirms what you've said. One farmer told me he sells his "organic beef" cattle at their fully raised weight, the day he receives the calves, so high is the demand. He has some difficulty since everything his cattle eat has to be certified organically grown.

mono



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David in England

07-12-2006 07:47:13




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 Farming is TOUGH here too ! in reply to monomechanical, 07-12-2006 07:18:49  
Hi Mono;
Farming has been getting tougher here for several years especially since they changed the subsidies for various crops to one Single Payment (which has been delayed for a year!!!)
Many farmers over the past 15 years or so, have had to sell off fields. The number of farm workers has dropped dramatically with the larger machinery used, and the cottage these men lived in have been sold off to city people. Today the old farm buildings are being sold off and converted into houses for city people.
Farming used to be good, and many were encouraged by the banks to borrow heavily. Prices to-day are rock bottom and many cant afford their repayments. A lot of farmers wives are now working in the towns to bring in a steady small income for basic neccesities! SOme smaller farmers are taking part time jobs like truck driving. Many are doing contract work for their neighbours with the tackle like hedge cutting, baling & combining etc. In the 1960's the "norm" was farmer & 1 man per 100 acres (mixed farm). To-day the grain farmers with 1000 acres may have 1 man and use casual workers from Europe brought in for the harvest; and this farmer may struggle to make a reasonable living based on the huge ammount of capital tied up in the farming business.
Its called Agri-Business now and its TOUGH.
Cheers David

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Mark in Mizzou

07-12-2006 09:03:42




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 Re: Farming is TOUGH here too ! in reply to David in England, 07-12-2006 07:47:13  
David, For years here in Platte County, Missouri, rising tobacco was a huge boost to the local agribusiness. Most farmers could make a fairly good living raising 5-10 acres of tobacco, pig 50 or so head of sows as well as their other farming operations. And since we’re 40 minutes north of Kansas City, their wives could work in the city for health insurance, added income, etc. Since the buyout, tobacco farming in NW Missouri has almost become extinct. Big business has destroyed hog production for the little guy. The never ending expansion of the suburbs has made land prices UNREAL. The only ones left standing are the BIG farmers or the weekend guys (like me). Making a living on 300 acres has gone the way of the CA Condor. I guess some people would call this progress.

Mark Hill
Dearborn, MO

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BillyinStoughton

07-12-2006 08:53:25




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 Re: Farming is TOUGH here too ! in reply to David in England, 07-12-2006 07:47:13  
That's about the same story that I read every time I pick up the local ag paper here. I guess it's true that misery loves company...and two different countries are doing just that.

Billy



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David in England

07-12-2006 07:35:16




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 Re: OT q's for David, King of England in reply to monomechanical, 07-12-2006 07:18:49  
Hi Mono;
You got it wrong - Im meerly a PEASANT over here!
The middle & southern areas on England are quite mild, and have a long growing season. ie the very southwest tip of Cornwall & Wales is almost frost free and they plant early potatoes in January for harvest in May & June. Maize for corn wont ripen here, but maize for silage is grown in the south & west. We hav'nt had a severe winter for years, 2 or 3 days snow a couple of inches deep is "normal".
Im not talking about Scotland in the North here where they do get bad weather.
Winter wheat is planted end Sept to end Dec;
Winter rape in August; spring barley in March & early April. They try to plant as much winter barley and winter rape as possible which ripens first in late July to spread the combining load. Then harvest spring barley & winter wheat last in September.
main crop potatoes are harvested in Oct & Nov; sugarbeet from end Oct to early Jan again to spread the load of the beet going into the factory to be processed. Theres a lot of your crops that we dontb get here because England is quite far north compared to most of the US. So I'm facinated to read about what you grow.
Cheers David

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monomechanical

07-12-2006 08:03:52




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 what's grown where . . . in reply to David in England, 07-12-2006 07:35:16  
David:
The U.S. is extremely large, and in worrisome agricultural transition, so it's gotten more complicated to say what's grown where, but here are a couple of very general "facts." Utah, where I live most of the year, is in the western U.S. It used to be one of the largest suppliers of apples, cherries, apricots, peaches, etc. to all of the West. So, there used be thousands of acres of orchards, greatly reduced over the last decade. The smaller Fords, 8N, 2n, 9N and smaller Masseys were the overwhelming tractor of choice. Small enough to fit under the tree-limbs; lots of implements for the 3 pt. hitch. There are still some very large alfalfa fields in central and Northern Utah. Just north of Utah, Idaho, grows potatoes, beets, and barley; the potatoes grow remarkably well. But again, with agricultural effciency improving so dramatically, Idaho has had difficulty selling its potatoes.
In Western P.A., where the family still has a couple of farms, farmers grew and still grow but at a greatly reduced level, dairy cow "support crops": lots of field corn, hay, silage, etc.

That's my experience at least. Others can say what they grow.

mono

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