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Ok, now I'm confused???

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Luke S

07-12-2006 06:28:22




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Well, we have now determined how big a plow I can pull with my Oliver 1955, but now I am not sure if I should plow at all. For those who have not read the previous post, I have some hay fields down in a creek bottom, about thirty acres down there. Used to have cattle grazing on them and the fields are rough as heck and tore up. My wife does all the raking and some tedding and when running our smaller tractors across these fields it is pure hell. It is hard on my tractors and my wife! I have a mixture of fescue and orchard grass growing there now that has been baled the last two years. Got the fields growing some decent grass, but still have some weeds. I want to either get more orchard grass going or maybe get some timothy going. So, opinions please. Do I plow, disc, drill? Spray, disc, drill? Chissel plow, disc, drill? Tillage in the fall and disc and drilll early spring, or do it all in september?

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mjbrown

07-12-2006 17:11:22




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 Re: Ok, now I'm confused??? in reply to Luke S, 07-12-2006 06:28:22  
Luke;
All of the advice here will work. What you have to decide is which you can do cost effectively. If you have to go buy a plow but you have a disc I would disc it seed it and roll it. If it's weedy hit it with Round-Up then disc, seed,roll. I have seedings blown on by the local fert. dealer with fertilizer. Since I buy the fert. and seed from them their charges are resonable and saves me a step.

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John A.

07-12-2006 10:56:28




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 Re: Ok, now I'm confused??? in reply to Luke S, 07-12-2006 06:28:22  
Luke, I agree with Allan and others. I would plow.
Then pull R.R. rail, old spiketooth harrows, or what have you to level it out. As Allan said after plowing pay particular attention to the smoothness. This is like painting now If ridges are there when you plant or paint, they will always be there afterward. And those ridges or lack of them will translaate back to operator comfort, ease of operation on your equipment. Good Luck.
Later,
John A.

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Marv

07-12-2006 11:43:53




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 Re: Ok, now I'm confused??? in reply to John A., 07-12-2006 10:56:28  
If you're going to plow, check the soil for fertilizer and lime needs. If any are needed, apply before plowing. Marv



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Jimmy King

07-12-2006 09:37:33




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 Re: Ok, now I'm confused??? in reply to Luke S, 07-12-2006 06:28:22  
Luke, I would plow it and build your self a good heavy drag out of telephone poles. The last one I built was 15 ft long two poles hooked togather with two short chains and a chain in front to pull it with. That will fill any ruts. Jim



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BillyinStoughton

07-12-2006 09:10:07




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 Re: Ok, now I'm confused??? in reply to Luke S, 07-12-2006 06:28:22  
I'd definitely get in there and plow it under as soon as you could. Depending on what you've had for moisture, it's not too late to get some timothy going yet. A moldboard plow with some good coulters is gonna be the key to getting that old stuff completely turned over...hit it with the disc until you have an acceptable seed bed...and after that it's just the drill and the cultipacker.

We turned one field upside-down just a month ago that was in the same condition.

I hope you have some moisture to go with that seed...we got 4 and 7/10ths yesterday. I haven't seen it rain so steady all day like that in a few years.

Good luck!

Billy

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MH

07-12-2006 07:17:06




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 Re: Ok, now I'm confused??? in reply to Luke S, 07-12-2006 06:28:22  
I am in the same boat as you, rough feilds that have not seen a plow in twenty years. I think I am going to go the plow route & start with a fresh canvas to make a nice smooth field.



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Allan In NE

07-12-2006 07:01:31




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 Re: Ok, now I'm confused??? in reply to Luke S, 07-12-2006 06:28:22  
Mornin' Luke,

It's kinda fool hardy to tell another man how to run his operation, but just from the sounds of it, I think I'd plow 'er up and start all over paying particular attention to the smoothness of the seedbed before I planted.

Just my opinion,

Allan



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Luke S

07-12-2006 08:09:38




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 Re: Ok, now I'm confused??? in reply to Allan In NE, 07-12-2006 07:01:31  
I am sort of thinking the same way as you fella's? But I am not 100% sure. Anybody else?



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old

07-12-2006 10:06:13




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 Re: Ok, now I'm confused??? in reply to Luke S, 07-12-2006 08:09:38  
I have had good luck with ryff fields and just disc the liveing day light out of them. That way it doesn't kill off all the grass you have and also make for a good seed bed for new seed. That way you keep some of the old grass and also can add new grass or clovers etc



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Luke S

07-12-2006 10:21:45




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 Re: Ok, now I'm confused??? in reply to old, 07-12-2006 10:06:13  
Old, you may be right? If I just disc the pi$$ out of it I can let it the ground get crusty again and just run over it with the no-till drill. I don't have a regular drill and don't have access to one. But I can rent a real nice new no-till down at the farm supply for $7 an acre.



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old

07-12-2006 10:39:13




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 Re: Ok, now I'm confused??? in reply to Luke S, 07-12-2006 10:21:45  
Also think of it this way, if you plow it you then have to disc it and the drag it and still seed it. If all you do is disc it real real good and then seed it you save 2 steps and a lot of $$$ if fuel saveings and now days that in its self could be enough $$ to pay for the seed and the rent on the seeder/drill which ever you want to call it. My self I keep improveing my hay ground by adding more clover seed to it every winter and when I'm lucky I snow seed it but the last few years we haven't had enough snow to do it that way.

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