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vrickster

07-10-2006 16:33:19

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My 82 year young rancher friend recalls many examples of tractor flip/roll over accidents. He told me to overcome this problem:

Hook up from the front of the tractor and back out the stuck vehicle.

The flipping hazard is eliminated. This explanation may be easier to understand than center of gravity, leverage, etc. and is even safer, I think. What do you think of this advice?

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Red Dave

07-11-2006 07:34:42

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Re: Flip over avoidance in reply to vrickster, 07-10-2006 16:33:19

I don't think that is a good idea.
Unless you have a tractor that is designed to pull with the front end, you run the risk of breaking it in half. Especially on older tractors that use the engine as part of the frame.

Most tractors came with a sticker that read "Attach to drawbar only", or "Pull with drawbar only", or some words to that effect.
There is more than one reason for that warning.

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Don L C

07-11-2006 08:56:58

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Re: Flip over avoidance in reply to Red Dave, 07-11-2006 07:34:42

Red Dave...you are right, but most tractors have only about 1/2 the traction pulling something in reverse.....not likely to break anything....Don

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Ross Pugh(NC)

07-11-2006 08:26:50

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Re: Flip over avoidance in reply to Red Dave, 07-11-2006 07:34:42

Good idea, he means to hook from the front, not to it. still hook to the rear of the tractor at drawbar, much less chance of flip-over but still not eliminated, just take care.

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paul

07-10-2006 21:02:24

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Re: Flip over avoidance in reply to vrickster, 07-10-2006 16:33:19

No tration when the wheels are spinning in reverse, so no one will try that 2x....

A narrow front tractor, & you hook up high on the frame, and you pull to the side - going to jacknife you over too if worst comes to worst.

On the drawbar with no mods, and enough proper ballast on the tractor is the best.

--->Paul

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Bill(Wis)

07-10-2006 20:43:35

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Re: Flip over avoidance in reply to vrickster, 07-10-2006 16:33:19

Tractors are not designed to pull from the front. Nor are they to be pulled out by hooking to their front. The factory designed drawbar with no nimrod mods is the place to pull from and be pulled.

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Jonfarmer

07-10-2006 18:15:40

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Re: Flip over avoidance in reply to vrickster, 07-10-2006 16:33:19

I don't know as I'd trust reverse gear to be strong enough for hard pulling and your tread would be in the wrong direction which would decrease proformance. your fine as long as you don't hook any higher than the drawbar, any higher than that and you are running the risk of flipping over backwards, the higher you hook, the easier it will flip. Another good avoidance is to buy a tractor waaay bigger than what you need and use that :'D

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Ross Pugh(NC)

07-11-2006 08:35:57

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Re: Flip over avoidance in reply to Jonfarmer, 07-10-2006 18:15:40

Or if you have plans on getting stuck buy a winch ahead of time.

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Ross Pugh(NC)

07-11-2006 08:35:39

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Re: Flip over avoidance in reply to Jonfarmer, 07-10-2006 18:15:40

Or if you have plans on getting stuck buy a winch ahead of time.

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Nebraska Cowman

07-10-2006 17:42:25

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Re: Flip over avoidance in reply to vrickster, 07-10-2006 16:33:19

Well I guess that would avoid the danger of the frontend coming up. But your pulling power would be greatly reduced. I would rather use a little common sense. Never jerk a chain. Keep the hitch point low enough to not cause the front end to rear up. Know your tractor and how it acts on different footing. I am posting a pic I found on the web. I may be ridiculed for this but as a teen skidded logs out of the woods doing this very thing. The front end would never come more than a foot or two off the ground and yes, Harley. I steered with the brakes.
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RodInNS

07-11-2006 19:41:14

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Re: Flip over avoidance in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 07-10-2006 17:42:25

You'll get no ridicule from me. I've done no shortage of things like that, and have no intention of stopping. It's not about getting away with it either, as some would believe. It's about knowing the machine's limitations, and making use of the machine to that point.

Personally, I think there's a finite amount of common sense in the world, and the population is still growing.....

Rod

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IaGary

07-10-2006 16:59:31

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Re: Flip over avoidance in reply to vrickster, 07-10-2006 16:33:19

If you hook to the standard or fixed drawbar there is no way that the tractor can flip over backward. If the drawbar is extend out as in normal operation.

After the front comes up so high the drawbar goes down below center of pull and will actually push the front back down.

Front wheels may stay off the ground but it shouldn't flip backwards.

Just my thoughts Gary

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Ross Pugh(NC)

07-11-2006 08:47:04

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Re: Flip over avoidance in reply to IaGary, 07-10-2006 16:59:31

Always use a tow strap alone not in combination with a chain and they are safe. The safest thing to pull with is a cable, they give you warning before breaking, a chain will not, it will break and come at the back of your head like a bullet, through the back glass of your truck or over the cab and leave their mark. I have see this result.

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buickanddeere

07-10-2006 17:09:15

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Re: Flip over avoidance in reply to IaGary, 07-10-2006 16:59:31

100% true and works unless somebody invents a better fool. I've seen a "wing ding" on a too small tractor trying to believe is tractor brand was un-beatable. 1st gear didn't work, 2nd didn't work by taking a little run at it. 3rd gear and backed up the full length of the slack chain, then took a full throttle run at it. You can pretty much picture the result(s) in your mind. Good thing he was was connected to a real drawbar and not the three point top link or something.

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IaGary

07-10-2006 17:13:36

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Re: Flip over avoidance in reply to buickanddeere, 07-10-2006 17:09:15

Jerking and getting a run for it brings up all kinds of issues.

I had a chain come thru the rear window once when a tow strap broke.

Don't think you will see me use a tow strap again.

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Ross Pugh(NC)

07-11-2006 08:53:22

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Re: To:LAGary in reply to IaGary, 07-10-2006 17:13:36

Gary, that chain could have broken just as easily and done the same thing . Using the chain was your problem. One tow strap alone would not have caused that.

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old

07-10-2006 16:38:29

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Re: Flip over avoidance in reply to vrickster, 07-10-2006 16:33:19

Works well if you have a tractor that has a low back-up gaer but doesn't work if you have a tractor like a Ford 9N, 2N or 8N because of a fast back up gear. Another way is to run the chain under the tractor and up to the front bumper if you have one that way the front can not come up but this alos causes other problems if you are not pull stright and the chain can get in to the wheels

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Harley

07-10-2006 17:30:37

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Re: Flip over avoidance in reply to old, 07-10-2006 16:38:29

Old old friend, I can't see a little Ford pulling anything bigger than a grasshopper out of a hole anyway. Those little things, even though they made a million of them and they had their place, just seem to me like an accident waiting to happen. Haven't seen one yet that had any brakes. Harley

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Ross Pugh(NC)

07-11-2006 09:01:29

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Re: To; Harley/Brakes in reply to Harley, 07-10-2006 17:30:37

Harley, I have two, a1950 8N and a 1947 2N. If you want to come ride two that have brakes, come to NC and take a ride.

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old

07-10-2006 19:27:40

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Re: Flip over avoidance in reply to Harley, 07-10-2006 17:30:37

Sometimes those little Ns will surprise you with what they can do. Shoot I have one with a back hoe on its but and it does well unless you have to back up a hill and then forget it thats when you use the backhoe to pull your self up the hill

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Dachshund

07-10-2006 18:13:22

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Re: Flip over avoidance in reply to Harley, 07-10-2006 17:30:37

Dunno - I've pulled the neighbor's 4x4 fullsize Chevy out of the mud with my 8N. Also drug a chunk of rock that weighs in at 2063# (yes, had it weighed more than once) around the yard until the wife decided it was where she wanted it! They will do a lot more than people think! Nothing wrong with the brakes on mine, either!

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Don L C

07-11-2006 09:07:06

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Re: Flip over avoidance in reply to Dachshund, 07-10-2006 18:13:22

Its called tractor sense, a good tractor driver should have a feel for what his tractor will do...

No need to jerk, slow even pull will work or get something bigger....or second tractor....each pulling on the stuck one....

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