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Allan In NE

06-30-2006 05:48:25




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Hey Guys,

I sure don't want to use poor ol' Harley's misfortune as an excuse to crawl up on my soapbox, but that sort of "fire" thing happens to buildings with tractors parked in 'em too. Steel and cement buildings will indeed burn. Been there and done that.

I'm of the opinion that storing tractors inside just to keep the bird dung off that pretty paint is just about as dumb as it gets.

Sorry Charlie, I'll quit my rant now,

Allan

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coflyboy

06-30-2006 15:33:30




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 Re: Fire Rant in reply to Allan In NE, 06-30-2006 05:48:25  
I used to be a police office. I investigated cases where there was stong evidence that fires occuring in barns and other out buildings were set by transients and/or drunks using these buildings as shelter. Fire fighters should have more information on this.



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Glen in TX

06-30-2006 18:26:31




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 Re: Fire Rant in reply to coflyboy, 06-30-2006 15:33:30  
Yep, transients, druggies, and gangs setting up temporary meth labs in abandoned buildings out in the boonies. Having a empty building not being used on your property is not a good thing anymore. Also probably #1 cause in town in old houses and old warehouses. Saw way more of that than I wanted in the city. Worse than sewer rats IMHO.



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IaGary

06-30-2006 10:56:13




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 Re: Fire Rant in reply to Allan In NE, 06-30-2006 05:48:25  
May have to disagree with you on this one Allan.

If I leave my tractors and machinery sit outside I have more repairs and they rust away.And the sun bleaches them away.

All this is at my expense.

If they are in the shed and it burns down it is at my insurance company expense.

I'll let them pay not me.

Gary



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Glen in TX

06-30-2006 10:21:15




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 Re: Fire Rant in reply to Allan In NE, 06-30-2006 05:48:25  
Dry climate here too and if anything is parked in a barn or shed it's to keep the sun off of it here. We call it dry rot from dry climate and sun eating up our tires. Candles are still the #1 cause of home fires right along with human negligence. Drunks should not light candles before getting snockered at home. Most causes we see on barn/shop were spontaneous combustion caused by human negligence or lightning or trash burning next to shop/barn. Equipment failures, heater failures and electrical building failures fall in there too but seem to be lesser causes. Most hay fires we have seen were caused by spontaneous combustion, exhaust sparks, cigarettes, lightning or hot wire fence. Hot wire fences can carry lightning a long ways to the hay stack too. Fence wire will be gone and carbonized laying on ground or hay.

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Dachshund

06-30-2006 09:29:03




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 Re: Fire Rant in reply to Allan In NE, 06-30-2006 05:48:25  
I live in the SE corner of Nebraska - about as far away as you can get from Allan, and still be in the state! Mine sit outside, but only because I don't have a shed to put them in! If I did - you betcha they'd be in it!



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730virgil

06-30-2006 08:27:37




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 Re: Fire Rant in reply to Allan In NE, 06-30-2006 05:48:25  
snow , ice , rain , and sun are good reasons to keep tractors , trucks and cars inside start better in zero degrees here in northren il these guys dumb enough to run cars in garage next to house need their brain examined after they gas themselves and family why step son never killed himself doing that i'll never know , but mom just dumb ain't no way that could happen



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Rauville

06-30-2006 08:04:18




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 Re: Fire Rant in reply to Allan In NE, 06-30-2006 05:48:25  
It isn't so much bird dung and rust that I'm concerned about. Rather, it's the darn varmits that come around when you're gone that empty gas tanks, and carry off what they can.
Just wish their pelts were worth the trouble of taking them.



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kopeck

06-30-2006 07:51:53




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 Re: Fire Rant in reply to Allan In NE, 06-30-2006 05:48:25  
Do that around here and rust will be setting in on any exposed metal with in the week (some times with in the day).

I could see in a dry climate like your's but here all tractors go under cover at night (well, most of the time) and most of our implements do too.

K



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Mike M

06-30-2006 06:11:41




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 Re: Fire Rant in reply to Allan In NE, 06-30-2006 05:48:25  
You guys have a different climate than us here in OHIO. Tractors left sit outside here are turned to rusted up hunks of junk. People will worry more about their cars and keep them in,but they are far better sealed up against water damage than a tractor. Plus the tractor holds it's value and a car ? Well everyone knows how much $$ you lose on those.

I restored an old 1945 JD B that I think the guy said came from Montana ? WoW ! you can't believe the difference.

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Allan In NE

06-30-2006 06:22:18




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 Re: Fire Rant in reply to Mike M, 06-30-2006 06:11:41  
That's for sure.

I used to work for a dealer who would buy used, low-mileage, program vehicles out of Minneapolis/St. Paul 'cause he could buy 'em for a song.

These things were only just one year old and they were total wrecks. Corrosion like you wouldn't believe.

Allan



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Matt from CT

06-30-2006 06:01:35




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 Re: Fire Rant in reply to Allan In NE, 06-30-2006 05:48:25  
What I'll add from seeing some 18 years worth of fires as a volunteer firefighter & officer:

I would never, ever build a house with an attached garage. I care about my family heirlooms, dogs, my computer hard drives, my photos, etc that insurance simply can't replace to avoid walking through a little bit of snow and rain.

I wouldn't mind an covered walkway between them -- the fire would vent nicely instead of going in the main house.

Far too high of a fuel load in them, and seldom will sheetrock manage to prevent smoke and water damage to the main house even if the fire itself is contained.

For my house, I also like to keep a 100' of 3/4" garden hose coiled up by the water tank in the basement. That's enough to reach around the house and the top of my driveway and garage. If the extinguisher doesn't get the fire, at least you're not standing around with a thumb up your butt till the fire trucks can arrive and you have a shot and confining the fire -- you can do a lot without getting into the smoke.

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jungle

06-30-2006 07:09:16




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 ATTACHED GARAGES or worse! Re: Fire Rant in reply to Matt from CT, 06-30-2006 06:01:35  
Finaly someone who reconizes the danger of the ATTACHED GARAGE or worse the daylite basement garage, both these layouts are a disaster waiting to happen! And that for a little convience.



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dhermesc

06-30-2006 08:53:26




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 Re: ATTACHED GARAGES or worse! Re: Fire Rant in reply to jungle, 06-30-2006 07:09:16  
What's wrong with a daylight basement?



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jungle

06-30-2006 18:22:04




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 Nothing Re: ATTACHED GARAGES or worse! Re: Fire Ra in reply to dhermesc, 06-30-2006 08:53:26  
Absolutly Nothing, unless you use it for a garage and park any autos, trucks, or tractors in them! At least if they are untended anytime at all.



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ntmcj

06-30-2006 06:30:28




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 Re: Fire Rant in reply to Matt from CT, 06-30-2006 06:01:35  
Good ideas. A couple of years ago, I awoke to a flickering light outside my window. I got up and looked outside to see my neighbors car (a later model Oldsmobile) consumed in flames. He and his family were all asleep and were only woken up by us neighbors. It was parked next to the house and it got so hot, it scorched all the paint off of the eves of the house. If he had parked it in the attached garage, they would have all been dead I am sure.

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TimS

06-30-2006 06:43:09




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 Re: Fire Rant in reply to ntmcj, 06-30-2006 06:30:28  
Regarding the fire that happened in the olds outside instead of in the garage, if he had a smoke detector they would have been alerted by that hopefully, I can't emphasize enough how important smoke and carbon monoxide detectors are....I lost a friend to carbon monoxide poisoning and we were woken up one night by the smoke detector going off, seems a candle was left burning that didn't have a glass base under it, it burned down and ignited the table under it. We were very lucky that wasn't worse!

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TimS

06-30-2006 06:46:54




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 Re: Fire Rant in reply to TimS, 06-30-2006 06:43:09  
Oh and in response to Allan in the dry, dry, land...

I would rather park the tractors and implements inside and save the rust and water damage and chance that a fire happens ( which I am insured against ) versus leave them all outside and let mother nature do a lot of damage ( which I can't buy insurance for anyhow ).

If I lived in a climate that was dry enough I could leave hay stacked out with no moisture damage, sure I would consider leaving everything outside...

Matter of fact, this summer is about that dry, but thats another story all together....

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IBorange in TX

06-30-2006 09:00:58




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 Re: Fire Rant in reply to TimS, 06-30-2006 06:46:54  
Talk about dry, just move on down to Texas. Its dry enuf here to leave tractors, equipment, and cars outside. Some folks build sheds and car ports just to keep the sun from blistering the paint. Of course, the soil is baked so hard you could use it for a parking lot....

Good Luck..... ..



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phil lowe

06-30-2006 07:48:31




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 Re: Fire Rant in reply to TimS, 06-30-2006 06:46:54  
third party image

pictures speak a thousand words...
Here is another day of rain,,, had to put the front end out to work on the bushhog ,,,and of coarse ,,another bunch of rain came ,,,,,yup gotta get a bigger garage



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