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ford 9N missing under load

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hmcorpman

06-29-2006 01:11:10




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I have posted on this subject before and have tried the suggestions given. My ford 9N is missing mainley when I am putting a load on the motor. It became noticeable when brush hogging or running in third gear on the road. It has been converted over to a twelve volt system sometime prior to me buying it. I have changed the plugs, wires, cap, rotar, I have cleaned and replaced the filter in the fuel tank, the screen in the sediment bowl, I have removed the carb, cleaned and adjusted it. It was just resently rebuilt before I bought it and I have the paper work on that. It is getting sufficent fuel. When I am running it I have noticed the the votage meter is running between 2-6 amps. So I started checking wiring and found a wire lose on the back of votage meter,tightened it. It is still reading 4-8 amps if I run it at 1/2 throttle it will idal fine until I put it in gear. I am woundering if the altenator is not putting out enough juice to keep her running when under work load. Also there is a porcelain thing that a wire from the altenator runs to, and another leaving it runs up under my insterment panel.(somewhere). I think it may be some kind of regulator, but not sure. I have a hard time tracing wires, due to, the loader that is on it. If replacing the altenator doesn't work I am afraid I may have to pull the loader to get under the hood. Which is going to be a big job. So any suggestions would be of great help. Thanks in advance.

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Bob

06-29-2006 05:51:03




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 Re: ford 9N missing under load in reply to hmcorpman, 06-29-2006 01:11:10  
Before condemning the alternator, you need to check the voltage at the battery with a voltmeter.

The AMPS reading is more or less MEANINGLESS concerning your problems, as is is showing charge into the battery, as well as the ignition current.

When the engine is running, the alternator should be maintaining the battery at a minimum of 13.5 Volts to a maximum of about 14.5 Volts. That is what you want to be looking at.

(Often, digital meters are confused by the electrical "noise" given off by the ignition and charging systems of these old beasts, and will flash odd numbers, or give erratic readings. Use a GOOD digital meter, or, better yet, and analog meter that won't be affected by the electrical noise.)

The trouble with these 12-Volt conversions is that there is no "standard" way of doing them.

Some use the original 6-Volt coil, and some use aftermarket "12-Volt" coils, and the resistor(s) needed depend upon what coil is used. (Likely, the white ceramic block you are looking at is an ignition resistor.)

So, start by checking the charging voltage at the battery.

Also, have you cleaned all three of your fuel screens, and tried opening up the "LOAD" adjustment needle on the carburetor a bit?

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souNdguy

06-29-2006 05:44:37




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 Re: ford 9N missing under load in reply to hmcorpman, 06-29-2006 01:11:10  
So.. your 'voltmeter' is reading amps.. that's a new one to me.

First.. decide which one you have.. then post back.

If it is a voltmenter.. then it needs to read system voltage.. Static sys voltage on a 12v system is about 12.6v. Charging can be anywhere as high as 14.7v

Use a handheld meter to verify what you have.

Now.. if it is an Ampmeter.. it will show an initial high charge right after starting.. and then taper off to very little charge... etc.

I'd replace points, and spark plugs.. with autolite 437's.

See where that gets you.

Also.. the little porcelien job.. that's almost certaintly a power resistor.. not a regulator...

If you are using the oem 6v coil.. you need a dropping resistor like a 8ne10306, and the oem ballast ressitor... etc.

Soundguy

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Coloken

06-29-2006 05:19:13




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 Re: ford 9N missing under load in reply to hmcorpman, 06-29-2006 01:11:10  
Are you by any chanch using Champion spark plugs?



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hmcorpman

06-29-2006 17:53:59




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 Re: ford 9N missing under load in reply to Coloken, 06-29-2006 05:19:13  
Coloken: yes am using champion spark plugs. From your question I guess the old fords don't like them much.


Soundguy: it is an amp meter. Verified it just in case.

bob: thanks for you advice will give it a try and see what happens from here. I will keep you informed of any results.



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Farmer in the Dells (WI)

06-29-2006 04:13:18




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 Re: ford 9N missing under load in reply to hmcorpman, 06-29-2006 01:11:10  
Sounds like you are looking at most of the initial solutions. First I would fully deep charge your battery. Start with higher amp until it warms up then go to lower amps overnight. Next day run it under load. If it still misses you can rule out your low amp theory. Your gauge is then probably not accurate. After all you have done and the battery charge, I would do a compression test. Make sure you don’t have a weak cylinder. You may be surprised what you find. Good luck.

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hmcorpman

06-29-2006 04:53:28




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 Re: ford 9N missing under load in reply to Farmer in the Dells (WI) , 06-29-2006 04:13:18  
Thanks farmer, will give it a try. Can't hurt tried everthing else. If it is weak cylinder that is going to intail, a completer tare down isn't it?



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dhermesc

06-29-2006 08:08:55




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 Re: ford 9N missing under load in reply to hmcorpman, 06-29-2006 04:53:28  
I second the compression test. Friend of mine has an 8N that had been supposedly overhauled before he bought it. Burned very little oil and ran great until you put a load on it, this it would cutout and miss (bush hog too). Worked on it 4 differant times until we checked compression 30-50 psi per piston. Pulled the head and rebuilt it for real and it ran great.



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