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Connecting Int'l 2050 Loader

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in-too-deep

06-28-2006 12:32:14




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I'm having trouble with the hydraulic lines mounting a 2050 loader an a 584. The tractor had a "power beyond" plate on the hydraulic valve. I ran 1/2 inch hose from the top plug on the power beyond plate to the pressure fitting on the loader control. From the return side of the loader control I ran 3/4 inch hose back to the bottom of the trans. Everything looks good and was done correctly, but the loader won't move. I know I've got the lines hooked up correctly and I have oil coming out of the pressure line because I started the tractor and oil spurted out. Do I need to open the hyd. valve to open up all the pressure to the loader? Help please and thank you.

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Shep Va

06-28-2006 13:39:08




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 Re: Connecting Int'l 2050 Loader in reply to in-too-deep, 06-28-2006 12:32:14  
I had the same problem when I put an IH loader on my 684. You have to plug a port in the end cap that you put the hose on before the power beyond will work. If you go to the CIH dealer he can look it up and there will be two different endcaps for that tractor, one for the power beyond feature and one for standard.

I ordered the power beyond endcap and all they did was put a flush mount plug in the one hole to make the oil build pressure to the loader. I could have spent 50 cents for a hex flush plug and threaded the hole, but instead the dealer sold me a $50 endcap to replace mine that had the plug already installed. What a deal ?!?!

So to make the loader work you will need to take the end cap off the hydraulic bank where your hose is now, and thread and plug the correct hole in the end cap and it will work great. It is a real fun job in a really tight place to work. While you are there replace all the O-rings in the remote banks, they get dry and leak after a while.

Also if your loader controls go off with the loader you will need to loop the hoses on the tractor so that the oil can continue to flow with the loader off. My controls stay with the tractor when the loader is removed so this is not an issue.

Good luck and the loaders work great off of those power beyond ports.

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in-too-deep

06-28-2006 15:14:27




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 Re: Connecting Int'l 2050 Loader in reply to Shep Va, 06-28-2006 13:39:08  
Thank you for all the help. Now I understand what I still need to do. I assumed that with the power beyond plate everything would be ready for a loader. Which port in the endcap do I need to block? There are two of them on mine, both open, and below those two is a recess for an o-ring to sit in. This is really great help and I appreciate it. I was so frustrated today, and even working on the tractor in the dealer's lot we couldnt figure it out. I'll know what to do tomorrow. Thank you much.

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J Schwiebert

06-28-2006 14:03:30




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 Re: Connecting Int'l 2050 Loader in reply to Shep Va, 06-28-2006 13:39:08  
Het Shep, Do you mean the plug in the loader valve? On our valve the plug goes into the normal passage and the loader return line is on the bottom of the valve? I guess I need to look in my Gresen parts book.



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in-too-deep

06-28-2006 16:20:01




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 Re: Connecting Int'l 2050 Loader in reply to J Schwiebert, 06-28-2006 14:03:30  
He's talking about the valve for the hydraulic remotes. That valve is below and to the right of the seat.



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Shep Va

06-29-2006 05:41:34




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 Re: Connecting Int'l 2050 Loader in reply to in-too-deep, 06-28-2006 16:20:01  
You are correct in-too-deep, the plug you have to put in is in the end cab, you understand what I am talking about. You guys cannot see the plug unless you take the end off the tractors remotes. You plumb the hoses the same way fromt the outside, it is just that plug that blocks the flow and forces the oil out toward the loader valve. Without this plug the oil will still flow to the loader controls, but it will not have pressure. I went through the same thing with the 684 earlier this year.

I really dont remember what hole gets plugged. I want to say it is the bottom hole away from where the hose hooks on, but I cant say for sure. There is a part number for the endcap with the plug in it, I would think the CIH dealer could bring up a picture of it and tell you what hole you need to plug. I bought my endcap with the plug in it from Hoober INC. in PA. Maybe they can tell you if you call them. www.hoober.com

Good luck.

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J Schwiebert

06-28-2006 13:01:33




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 Re: Connecting Int'l 2050 Loader in reply to in-too-deep, 06-28-2006 12:32:14  
I am a little confused as t owhat you are saying we have an IH loader either a 2050 or 2250 on a 674. I am going to where the loader is in about 10 minutes. I will look and see how it is plumbed. Our loader has a Gresen SP valve. If nothing else send me a phone number . I can be found on the hpoca web site. J.



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Shep Va

06-29-2006 05:50:36




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 Re: Connecting Int'l 2050 Loader in reply to J Schwiebert, 06-28-2006 13:01:33  
We are plumbing the hoses into the power beyond feature on these tractors. It is a port on the top right side of the remote valve bank. This provides power to a loader control spool valve that runs the loader. You can then return the oil anywhere you like back into the rear end. Mine has a hose that runs around behind the tractor to a port over the top of the middle link of the three point hitch.

From the outside it will all look the same. The problem we are running into is that the power beyond feature of these tractors is not turned on under normal conditions. Otherwise it would jam the system. Soooo when you hook something up to the power beyond you have to turn it on by plugging one of the ports in the endcap to force oil into whatever you are running off of it.

It is the same on the open center olivers that we put loaders on using the power beyond, you have to take a plug out of the front of the hydraulic unit and put a 3/8 plug in a port to turn it on.

Hope this makes sence.

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in-too-deep

06-29-2006 14:25:19




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 Re: Connecting Int'l 2050 Loader in reply to Shep Va, 06-29-2006 05:50:36  
Gosh it's nice to have folks like Shep around! The dealership was new to the idea of plugging one of those holes, but I insisted. Through a phone call and computer searching we found out to plug the top hole, the smaller one. Off to ACE hardware I went for a 3/8 in. flush plug. Threaded the hole, screwed in the plug, and put the tractor back together. Loader runs a bit slow for my tastes, but that's ok, it works! Thanks again.

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