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3 point vs. Pull?

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Matt Kane

06-23-2006 15:23:15




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I have a Oliver Super 55. Did alright when plowing a garden, but not great. I used a 2 bottom drop plow. Seems like I need to load the tires. Anyhow I was wondering is there a big difference between a 3 point 2 bottom plow, and a 2 bottom drop pull type plow?




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Sam#3

06-24-2006 05:49:54




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 Re: 3 point vs. Pull? in reply to Matt Kane, 06-23-2006 15:23:15  
I've read the post and all the replies and still don't see any indication of your 'problem.' What do you mean by "alright" and "not great?"
Is the plow not going in the ground, not turning, not scouring? Is the tractor spinning or lugging down?
All of these faults will have a different reason and solution. Weighting the wheels will only apply to one of them.
A bit more info would be helpful.

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Matt Kane

06-24-2006 06:04:25




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 Re: 3 point vs. Pull? in reply to Sam#3, 06-24-2006 05:49:54  
Alot of spinning, the tractor didnt seem to lug down at all. Plenty of power, but Didnt want to grab well. I could only plow around 5 inches deep.



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Sam#3

06-24-2006 06:24:49




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 Re: 3 point vs. Pull? in reply to Matt Kane, 06-24-2006 06:04:25  
Thanks for the clarification.
In that case weight is the answer.
Good luck with it.



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Mike M

06-23-2006 18:46:19




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 Re: 3 point vs. Pull? in reply to Matt Kane, 06-23-2006 15:23:15  
Drawbar height is real important on a pull type.

You can get some down draft on the rear of your tractor with one if set up right.



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Matt Kane

06-23-2006 18:51:04




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 Re: 3 point vs. Pull? in reply to Mike M, 06-23-2006 18:46:19  
So what would that require, Higher or lower to pull?



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Mike M

06-24-2006 05:04:57




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 Re: 3 point vs. Pull? in reply to Matt Kane, 06-23-2006 18:51:04  
Sounds like you need to go higher so it can pull down on the tractor.But you can also go too high. The old John Deere pocket ledgers had info in them for setting plows up as do the owners manuals. The info in these should work for most makers of plows. If you can figure out what brand of plow you have you may just be able to find a manual for it. You could also have other problems like it being sprung or just not set right makeing it try to plow sideways and this will make them pull real hard.

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J Schwiebert

06-23-2006 18:10:54




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 Re: 3 point vs. Pull? in reply to Matt Kane, 06-23-2006 15:23:15  
Also depending on the age of your tractor there may or may not be some adjustments to make when you work on the three point. Also if you have a remote valve for a remote cylinder and you get dirt in the relief valve your 3 point will not lift. The mounted plow transfers weight to the rear wheels. A pull type does not. Just how big is this motor? I hate to disapoint you, but if you still have the original manifold carburetor and head you will not see 50 unless you are close to 180 cubic inch displacement.

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Matt Kane

06-23-2006 18:39:38




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 Re: 3 point vs. Pull? in reply to J Schwiebert, 06-23-2006 18:10:54  
Its a Diesel with 3 3/4 inch bores. The man who rebuilt it said close to 50hp. It has the external control valve, So if there is a valve in there to clean where is it located. It will partially raise when throttled up, but will not lift any weight. I dont want to tear into the hydraulics under the seat yet. If you know the horsepower based on the bore size, rest is stock let me know what the hp is. Thanks

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J Schwiebert

06-23-2006 19:19:47




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 Re: 3 point vs. Pull? in reply to Matt Kane, 06-23-2006 18:39:38  
Close only counts in hand granades and horse shoes. Take at least 8 off that horse power rating. Do you have a book? Also will your unit settle and what is the serial number and or where is the hydraulic filter located?



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Matt Kane

06-24-2006 04:41:14




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 Re: 3 point vs. Pull? in reply to J Schwiebert, 06-23-2006 19:19:47  
The unit will settle overnight. I have put on a brushhog and it settles almost right away. I have the IT manual, but It doesnt seem to show alot. Filter is located on the left side of the housing, not the front. I did replace the filter and fluids, but nothing changed.



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J.C.H.

06-23-2006 16:24:44




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 Re: 3 point vs. Pull? in reply to Matt Kane, 06-23-2006 15:23:15  
For a 3-point hitch plow you at least need to load your tires,maybe some wheel weights and try to understand your tractors draft control and after all this your 55 should do a good job of plowing in normal soil. Hard pan is another story. Normal loam soil is what these little tractors really like.You have a 3-point plow so don't even consider a pull plow. 3-point is far superior in "my opinion" John

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Matt Kane

06-23-2006 16:39:08




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 Re: 3 point vs. Pull? in reply to J.C.H., 06-23-2006 16:24:44  
Was wondering because right now my 3 point wont lift, I have to look into it. So I used a pull plow. I am curious when I get the lift fixed how it will plow with the 3 point. I had it rebuilt so it pulls close to 50 horsepower.



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B-maniac

06-23-2006 17:08:41




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 Re: 3 point vs. Pull? in reply to Matt Kane, 06-23-2006 16:39:08  
Brings back memories.We had a super 55 back in 60's and early 70's.Had an overbore sleeve and pistons in it. We pulled 3- 14's (3point) and we didn't have much hard clay. I really think 50 hp is being REALLY optimistic in my opinion.Get your 3pt working and this tractor has a lot of uses!



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