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old

06-19-2006 11:05:21




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Got a battery in one of may tractors. Had the 1.5 charger on it for the last few days, but that didn't help it any. Then I put the 40 amp on and left it on all night. Now after and hour with the 40 amp on it the engine would turn over just fine. But after all night all it would do was sort of try to turn over. So I guess the battery is bad and I will need to replace it. But why in the world would it work after 1 hour of chargeing and then not after all night??
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DigDugNC

06-20-2006 16:26:44




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 Re: Ok guys figure this one out in reply to old, 06-19-2006 11:05:21  
Battery has a "Dead Cell", It will charge up but the battery will not hold a charge, been there, done that. New battery will solve the problem



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4010guy

06-19-2006 19:35:53




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 Re: Ok guys figure this one out in reply to old, 06-19-2006 11:05:21  
Hey old, of what gender is your battery....some can be a bit difficult to deal with at times...shhhh i dident realy say that did i? :o)



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old

06-19-2006 19:44:02




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 Re: Ok guys figure this one out in reply to 4010guy, 06-19-2006 19:35:53  
Don't know the brand right off the top of my head but its one of those you can't check the water lever in and I fugure that is probably half of its problems. I also sort of worded what I said in the first place wrong. Had the 1.5 amp charge on it a couple days then the big charger on it for and hour and the tractor would start. Then left it on over night and the next day the battery wouldn't turn the engine over.

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Leland

06-19-2006 19:04:40




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 Re: Ok guys figure this one out in reply to old, 06-19-2006 11:05:21  
Probley a dead cell ,batterys are prone to this after being beaten up on a tractor ,I have had brand news fail .



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Jerry Cent. Mi.

06-19-2006 17:18:01




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 Re: Ok guys figure this one out in reply to old, 06-19-2006 11:05:21  
The 40 amp charge probably heated the battery. A warm battery has more energy. A cold battery in the winter will not crank as long.



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old

06-19-2006 17:57:01




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 Re: Ok guys figure this one out in reply to Jerry Cent. Mi., 06-19-2006 17:18:01  
I did all this in the last couple of days. Been up around 90 during the day and 65 or so at night.



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noncompos

06-19-2006 15:02:52




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 Re: Ok guys figure this one out in reply to old, 06-19-2006 11:05:21  
Here"s a far out guess: fooling with old worn out 6V batteries for our jalopies (who could afford a new battery??) we found that occasionally a battery that wouldn"t stay up (old age) was more or less rejuvenated by putting it on the fastest (highest power) charger we could find...I"ve never talked to a real battery expert on this, but I"ve seen it happen, and unless it somehow knocked some corrosion off the plates have no idea how it could work...

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Chances R

06-19-2006 13:55:05




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 Re: Ok guys figure this one out in reply to old, 06-19-2006 11:05:21  
I am guessing you had the charger on when you turned the engine over, if so I would say you have a loose or bad connection at the battery. at 40 amps the connection the charger had allowed it to turn over. With 1.5 amps it couldnt help it.



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Errin OH

06-19-2006 11:58:33




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 Re: Ok guys figure this one out in reply to old, 06-19-2006 11:05:21  
I’ll take a crack.

Think of it as filling a large container with a water hose, closed up (no breather). As it fills the back pressure would slow down until it matched the input pressure. It would appear to fill faster at first then slow down to a point where it wouldn’t appear to be filling at all. Charging a battery is much the same. When you first connect it, it draws the max current. As the voltage rises, the current goes down. Now let’s say the container had cells in it. Each cell was connected by a hole at the bottom. As the water enters the first cell it will pass to the next and so on. (poor analogy). If the hole becomes blocked the cell will fill until the pressure is enough to push out the blockage. If it doesn’t, it will only fill that cell. Batteries are kind of like that with an exception. You can short a cell so the water would pass through it with out filling it. Battery charger ratings are set by voltage 1.5 would be a lower voltage than a 40 (less pressure). If you had a cell that had some crud on it the lower amps would just pass thru it and not charge the cell. With a higher amp it could arc and burn off (open) the cell and it take a charge.

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Pooh Bear

06-19-2006 11:48:11




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 Re: Ok guys figure this one out in reply to old, 06-19-2006 11:05:21  
Could have an internal short in the battery.
The positive slowly leaks toward the negative.
(actually it is the opposite but I won't go into that)
Charging it for an hour and it is full enough to start the engine.
Charge it and then let it sit overnite and all
the electrons done leaked out so it won't start.

Pooh Bear



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marlowe

06-19-2006 11:41:46




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 Re: Ok guys figure this one out in reply to old, 06-19-2006 11:05:21  
the draw was bigger then the charger 1.5 aint nothen



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Dachshund

06-19-2006 11:40:49




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 Re: Ok guys figure this one out in reply to old, 06-19-2006 11:05:21  
My guess is that leaving it on overnight got it too hot inside. Only charging it an hour may not have gotten it so warm. It's probably a goner, though.



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Dan-IA

06-19-2006 15:04:23




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 Re: Ok guys figure this one out in reply to Dachshund, 06-19-2006 11:40:49  
Yep, I figure the battery's pretty well toast. Unless I'm using a trickle charger, I don't charge a battery for more than 2 hours at >10 amps. Cooked one that way once...live and learn.



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