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JohnDeereGreen

06-17-2006 13:28:55




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I'd sure hate to pay the fuel bill on this beast working ground. third party image
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Jay in MN

06-21-2006 19:29:37




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 Re: Don't know about you guys, but in reply to JohnDeereGreen, 06-17-2006 13:28:55  
fuel savings. My dad was listening to the lender farm network a few months ago about a farmer is MN that downsized his tractor number from 5 to 2 tractors. Throtled down the tractors from 2100 RPMs to 1800 and cut is annual fuel bill by about ( cant remember for sure) 3,000 - 5,000 dollars. Like I was always told as a child when I went more than 3/4 throttle "if you want to go faster put it in a higher gear"

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David from Kansas

06-17-2006 18:45:32




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 Re: Don't know about you guys, but in reply to JohnDeereGreen, 06-17-2006 13:28:55  
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Here is a tractor that my son and his boss built a few years ago. I think it is powered by a 525 HP Cummins.



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Don Wadge

06-18-2006 20:27:24




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 Re: Don't know about you guys, but in reply to David from Kansas, 06-17-2006 18:45:32  
It might be green, but it's got Versatile axles. You can tell by the planetary covers.



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Steve Crum

06-17-2006 17:52:20




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 Re: Don't know about you guys, but in reply to JohnDeereGreen, 06-17-2006 13:28:55  
I have to believe that electro-motive power in a large ag application would have great benefits as far as power transmission and fuel savings. I worked with battery powered forklifts for years and when maintained they couldn't be killed. These used traction motors and a motor to drive the hydraulics. For budge work, these would push every bit as hard as a comperable propane lift. When the battery dropped to 20% you changed it to a charged one and put the one you pulled on charge. Locomotive type traction motors would be more efficent as most gear drive machinery experiences sizeable parasitic power loses within the drives. And no matter how well gearing is matched there are still loses between the drives. A computer controlled set of traction motors can be controlled much more precisely measuring rpms in degrees even down to minutes.

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Jonfarmer

06-17-2006 15:37:32




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 Re: Don't know about you guys, but in reply to JohnDeereGreen, 06-17-2006 13:28:55  
The new ones are plenty expensive enough to run!. I don't know weither to be impressed with that rig or not, seems like a moderen day 500hp articulator would really give it a good run and possibly outpull it since you can put duals and triples on them.



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RodInNS

06-17-2006 14:21:15




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 Re: Don't know about you guys, but in reply to JohnDeereGreen, 06-17-2006 13:28:55  
Ohhhh! Big Roy! That had a Cummins KTA-1150, set at, I beileve, 600 hp. Black smoke from that thing would smell like money. Might be best that that one pictured was the only one ever built.

Rod



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Dachshund

06-17-2006 14:10:26




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 Re: Don't know about you guys, but in reply to JohnDeereGreen, 06-17-2006 13:28:55  
He!! - it hurts my wallet just LOOKING at it!



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Mark

06-17-2006 15:48:06




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 Re: Don't know about you guys, but in reply to Dachshund, 06-17-2006 14:10:26  
Let me throw you guys a curve for minute.

I spent the best part of my life as a railroad engineer. The General Motors built loco's had most commonly a 16v645 turbo diesel (3000-4000 HP depending on configuration). So, that 16 cylinders at 645 cubic inch EACH....do the math. Now, the beauty of the beast is it operates at really low RPM's. 985 is max. and idle around 200. With all those power impulses they ran rather smoothly when idling. They will idle on about 5 to 7 gallons an hour! That engine at idle would probably make enough torque to rip Roy's axles out if they got hooked properly....let alone when wide open. The next thing is, a diesel locomotive is actually propelled by electric motors on each axle....referred to as a 'traction motor'. No gears...well, okay a gear off the armature and a bull ring on theaxle....but no transmission.....direct drive. As resistence builds due the speeding up of the armature.....which tries to force current back towards the alternator...a series of shunts take place....I forget the order, but something like from series to parallel, then series parallel and then parallel shunt..been too long ago.....do a google. Anyway, this is the manner in how big power is transferred....I think Euc's work on the same principle. So, if they had a Big Roy set up on diesel electric....and say just used a 2000 HP...oh say a 12V567, the work performed versus fuel spent would be quite reasonable.

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J Schwiebert

06-17-2006 17:27:16




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 Re: Don't know about you guys, but in reply to Mark , 06-17-2006 15:48:06  
MArk: What the chances of getting in contact with you? I would like to talk a little more EMD with you. I have some general questions. Thanks. J.



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Mark

06-17-2006 17:54:36




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 Re: Don't know about you guys, but in reply to J Schwiebert, 06-17-2006 17:27:16  
J.S.,

email me anytime you want! i enjoy good company and will never have enough friends and good neighbors. I don't claim to be an expert at anything but loafing.....I know how to do that just right:)!

Mark Harris
Jumptrap58 at wmconnect dot com



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JohnDeereGreen

06-17-2006 16:09:08




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 Re: Don't know about you guys, but in reply to Mark , 06-17-2006 15:48:06  
It's too bad that a diesel electric set up wouldn't work as well in an agricultural application, because it would likly be a major fuel saver.

I had no idea that an engine that big could idle down that low. I knew that they ran really slow, but had no idea that they ran THAT slow. JohnDeereGreen



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Randy as in Randy-IA

06-18-2006 11:32:02




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 Re: Don't know about you guys, but in reply to JohnDeereGreen, 06-17-2006 16:09:08  
I think the bigger they are the slower they have to run . It takes a long time to stop and turn around a 1000lbs of piston and con rod . At the power plant in town we did some work a number of years ago and I saw the largest diesel engine I've ever seen in that building . I don't remember how many cylinders or the horsepower but I do remember being amazed at how slow it ran wide open . The specs were on the wall . It IDLED at 67 rpm and ran wide open under load at 180 rpm . They had a piston from it in the lobby and it was close to 4 FEET in diameter . The con rods are exposed with an open crankcase . I'm guessing it was about 18 - 20 feet tall and 35 - 40 feet long . And the muffler is about the size of a pickup truck . I know it's not an unusual engine for powerplants but it was the largest one I've ever seen . You really can't even hear them running outside it's so well muffled since it's right in town . Quite interesting . ...Randy

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Mark

06-17-2006 17:20:53




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 Re: Don't know about you guys, but in reply to JohnDeereGreen, 06-17-2006 16:09:08  
I think diesel electric would work and work fine at that. The power transfer is very smooth and wheel slip control is ancient technology..modernized now, of course with computers. That diesel just drives the alternator and as more power is needed, you add more rpm's, which in turn makes more amps to the motors. There is absolutely no reason that a traction motor cannot be mounted where the transmission normally resides and a drive shaft fed to the front wheels for 4 wd. The engine would be in it's normal position. Just too much for a maker to explore using it.

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JohnDeereGreen

06-17-2006 18:27:45




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 Re: Don't know about you guys, but in reply to Mark , 06-17-2006 17:20:53  
Now that I think about it harder, it would be really neat to have a tractor like that. Like you said, it would be really fuel to work efficient.
JohnDeereGreen



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BigMarv1085

06-18-2006 13:52:19




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 Re: Don't know about you guys, but in reply to JohnDeereGreen, 06-17-2006 18:27:45  
One night on RFD tv, they were showing the Big Bud 747. The owner said it would plow 800 acres a day and burn't a little over a gallon of fuel a acre.



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