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O/T What's happening to the old barns

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TomR Ont

06-13-2006 15:38:53




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When traveling I see more and more old barns falling down, or close to it. Why don't the owners fix them before they are beyond fixing?
I've seen allot that have built a $20,000 new storage building some times two close to the old barn, with not even one new board on the old barn.
What a waste.
Does anyone know why?




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Chuck MI

06-14-2006 18:45:05




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 Re: O/T What's happening to the old barns in reply to TomR Ont, 06-13-2006 15:38:53  
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Some people still take care of their barns. This one started it's life before the Civil War as a single floor barn, no bank. Around 1910 the family before ours got a hankering to have a bank runing to a second floor, so they jacked the original barn 10 feet in the air and framed in below it. Still has the wooden calf pens and milk parlor.

I agree that the popularity of the round bale and front end loader has meant the death of many barns.

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26Red

06-14-2006 09:25:46




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 Re: O/T What's happening to the old barns in reply to TomR Ont, 06-13-2006 15:38:53  
It all comes down to money... old barns look cool, but not many contractors want to work on them...I've been trying to get ours fixed for years... $30k to straighten the building, new foundation, and new roof...you can have a nice new insulated steel building for that...

I've bought a couple of books on how to straighten old barns, which doesn't look too bad. But the big job will be fixing the foundation..

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Mike M

06-14-2006 07:52:51




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 Re: O/T What's happening to the old barns in reply to TomR Ont, 06-13-2006 15:38:53  
An awful lot of them in my area in Ohio have been burnt down by some a--hole in the middle of the night. This has been a real concern in Wayne and Holmes counties for a few years now. I still don't think they caught them.

Last year Ohio did some special celebration where they made an old barn calender and painted the end wall of alot of barns. Bicentennial I think ?



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Gene-WI

06-14-2006 06:35:52




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 Re: O/T What's happening to the old barns in reply to TomR Ont, 06-13-2006 15:38:53  
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Here's a picture of my barn. I had a contractor tell me $4000 for him to put steel on the end and that was if I supplied the materials, I said too much and he said he wasn't going to hang out in a bucket at 40 feet up for nothing, so I enlisted the help of a brother-inlaw and did it myself. As far as barns having too low of celings for storage, I have a neighbor that used an endloader and lifted his barn roof up one side at a time and removed the barn floor and set the roof back down on the walls, got all kinds of room for storage now. I presently milk cows but am thinking of switching to beef and will probably do the same thing to my barn.

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Billy NY

06-14-2006 06:27:35




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 Re: O/T What's happening to the old barns in reply to TomR Ont, 06-13-2006 15:38:53  
I've often asked the same questions, marveling at what was once was here, 2 giant mortise and tenon native timber framed barns that we had ( just photos now ). Myself and the neighbor who used to store hay there were remarking how big the mow was, between the 2 of them you could put several thousand bales in there, I never saw both of them full when I was a kid. That and a huge victorian farm house, only thing left today is a small milk house, ( that will stay ).

We have a lot of slate roof with the year built written in slate on the roof, timber framed ones here, have lost a lot too, they are from a bygone era, and a big money pit, I hate to see them in disrepair, each has it's own history, nothing wrong with being in awe of these great buildings representing a remarkable period in our agricultural history, I could stop by every one and still not get enough.

That said, economically, best thing you can do it seems is maintain a roof, the tin ones and the slate ones have stood the weather here, but when the sills and floors get wet, the repairs can get costly and difficult, probably why so many have been lost. There are grants in NY, saw an article, but this is recent, not sure of the details.

The other thing is, the purpose for which they were built is hard to adapt to the needs of today, so they are really obsolete, like so many historical buildings, but nothing is more pleasing to my eyes than a well kept timber framed barn with a slate roof with the year written in red slate, the craftmanship and materials that went into them is long gone today.

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RickL

06-14-2006 04:16:50




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 Re: O/T What's happening to the old barns in reply to TomR Ont, 06-13-2006 15:38:53  
TomR; Simply put you can't afford to redo them and even when you did if would be of no use in tdays world. Few have been made into museum ans couple into houses but after putting lots of money into them!!!! hey are hoping to get payback bu having tours. I have one right now that I have taken down still have the roof yet to salvage but like was said earlier its the cost. Randy there is no tax break unless its gone period on my statements anyway. Alot of the ins companies will no lnger ins either so basically they just rot away. Anybody one some good usable roofing tin,you remove you can have,the roof is on the ground by the way.

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Dachshund

06-14-2006 05:49:19




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 Re: O/T What's happening to the old barns in reply to RickL, 06-14-2006 04:16:50  
I'd take it, but you're probably to far from me!



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RickL

06-14-2006 10:53:30




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 Re: O/T What's happening to the old barns in reply to Dachshund, 06-14-2006 05:49:19  
It all just depends on how bad you want it. locate southeast Iowa



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Al in PA

06-13-2006 17:26:12




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 Re: O/T What's happening to the old barns in reply to TomR Ont, 06-13-2006 15:38:53  
I have an old PA Dutch German bank barn. It"s been a money pit ever since I bought the place (23 years ago). Even if you come up with the money to do the repairs, good luck finding anyone who"s willing to work on them. I finally found an Amish crew to put a roof on it, but most contractors won"t work on them. Finding an insurance company that will give you adequate coverage is almost impossible unless you farm full-time and take out a very expensive commercial policy: The rider on my home-owners policy would barely give me more than demolition costs if it was destroyed by a storm/fire/etc.

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wh

06-13-2006 17:21:41




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 Re: O/T What's happening to the old barns in reply to TomR Ont, 06-13-2006 15:38:53  
agree that the old barns are disapperaing to fast. they were the center of activity on the farms many years ago. redid this one several years ago. put new floor in loft, took 9 ft sheds off each side and added a 24 ft on the north side and a 20 ft on the south side. originally built in 1915 by my grandfather and 3 of his sons. it now measures 74 wide and 65 deep counting the 25 ft shed across the back that you cannot see in the picture.

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Sean Feeney cc

06-14-2006 08:25:50




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 Re: O/T What's happening to the old barns in reply to wh, 06-13-2006 17:21:41  
what year is tractor reciept 1920 hard to read notice tax is only 1/2 percent of sale good old days and tractor still around working to boot



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wh

06-14-2006 09:20:55




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 Re: O/T What's happening to the old barns in reply to Sean Feeney cc, 06-14-2006 08:25:50  
it is dated march 7, 1950.



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Mike M

06-14-2006 07:47:08




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 Re: O/T What's happening to the old barns in reply to wh, 06-13-2006 17:21:41  
Where's the copy of the reciept on the new tractor ?



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Vern-MI

06-14-2006 03:30:58




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 Re: O/T What's happening to the old barns in reply to wh, 06-13-2006 17:21:41  
Those are absolutely beautiful pictures Wade. I stole one of the sunflower pics as a background. Interesting 1950 Farmall Super A receipt of $1385.
OK, I'm drooling now.



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wh

06-14-2006 04:48:22




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 Re: O/T What's happening to the old barns in reply to Vern-MI, 06-14-2006 03:30:58  
thanks, did you happen to notice the phone number on the receipt?



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Vern-MI

06-14-2006 05:47:41




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 Re: O/T What's happening to the old barns in reply to wh, 06-14-2006 04:48:22  
It was 476 so there weren’t very many phone subscribers out there at that time. I can remember when my parents had a phone that they counted the rings in order to determine who the call was for on their party line.



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JDknut

06-14-2006 03:27:21




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 Re: O/T What's happening to the old barns in reply to wh, 06-13-2006 17:21:41  
Nice lookin' barn, and those Internationals outside give it a nice decoration.



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oland tim

06-13-2006 16:52:40




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 Re: O/T What's happening to the old barns in reply to TomR Ont, 06-13-2006 15:38:53  
my barn was in bad shape when i bought it needed a roof . hogs lots of water est for roof 14000 built new builded new for 12000 50 x75 not fin but you can see why old barn 40 x 80 hard to use not open span every 20 feet beams in loft fine for hay no use for me



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Rod in Smiths Falls, ON,

06-13-2006 16:13:34




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 Re: O/T What's happening to the old barns in reply to TomR Ont, 06-13-2006 15:38:53  
In Eastern Ontario the round bale did the traditional barn in. The barns designed for loose hay worked not too badly for small square bales, as long as lots of labour was available to handle them. While the traditional barn made clever use of gravity, today's barns use hydraulics to do the heavy lifting.

The main barn on the family property overlooks the valley and is a landmark for miles around. It survived a hurricane in 1982 which shifted it 12" south on the east end of its foundation, but didn't take a nail or a board from its ash-tenoned frame.

Unless I replace the north sills, though, the barn is doomed. That's 90' of 12X12" timber to muscle into place, and at least 2000 square feet of plank to replace rotted floors in the mows.

The roof's interlocking tin, still in fine condition after a hundred years or so. The sheeting isn't bad, but the sills and the flooring are a real problem.

There must be a more efficient way to store lumber and tractors.

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IaGary

06-13-2006 15:47:21




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 Re: O/T What's happening to the old barns in reply to TomR Ont, 06-13-2006 15:38:53  
Because the cost to remodel a barn to make it useful for todays large equipment can't be done or it is cheaper to build new.

And you can't justify spending money of something you don't use.

Gary



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TomR Ont

06-13-2006 17:41:53




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 Re: O/T What's happening to the old barns in reply to IaGary, 06-13-2006 15:47:21  
I see your point. But it's still sad to see the end of another era.
Thanks for the insight, didn't see it, now that you said it, I do see the big round bails in the lower longer drive in sheds.

Thanks So sad though.



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Randy as in Randy-IA

06-13-2006 16:03:05




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 Re: O/T What's happening to the old barns in reply to IaGary, 06-13-2006 15:47:21  
Another reason is taxes . As long as the barn's standing I think they get a reduced tax . I don't know particulars though .

And it's awfully expensive to get a bad barn torn down and hauled away . My neighbors barn got blown over in a downburst straightline wind that hit close to 80 mph through here 7 or 8 years ago , big barn , was supposed to be the biggest in the county . It's still in the same spot as it was the day after that storm because they want close to $5,000 to smash it and haul it away and the fire department won't let him burn it . So what do you do ? He burns a little here and there and some of it is disappearing but not very fast . ...Randy

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OH Boy

06-14-2006 10:07:11




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 Re: O/T What's happening to the old barns in reply to Randy as in Randy-IA, 06-13-2006 16:03:05  
If it were mine it would catch on fire sometime when there is a big snowstorm happening so nobody sees the smoke!



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