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Power hookup for a swather with no key

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Foligno

06-12-2006 05:48:33




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Hi all,
I have a late 50's (guessing) Owatonna swather. I inherited it with the farm a bought a few years ago. Many parts on it look like they are make-shift. My problem: How do I get power to the engine?? The place where it looks like the battery SHOULD be has no battery, but the guy left a few battery cables on the swather, with one grounded to the unit itself. I can only assume he used that to start it. Where the heck would I attach a battery to on the engine so I can turn it over??

Your input is greatly appreciated.

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solenoid

06-12-2006 10:30:56




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 Re: Power hookup for a swather with no key in reply to Foligno, 06-12-2006 05:48:33  
I will try to cable this as suggested, but
I thought the solenoid had a positive and negative connection? Also, how can I tell which component is the solenoid?



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TimS

06-12-2006 07:38:45




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 Re: Power hookup for a swather with no key in reply to Foligno, 06-12-2006 05:48:33  
I will assume this is negative ground. You should have a thick cable going from negative on the battery to ground. You should have a thick cable going from positive on the battery to the starter solenoid and a thinner wire(s) going from positive on the battery to the wiring harness and eventually to the key switch, lights, etc.

If you have a key switch to turn with no key, look at the number of terminals on the back of the switch and find a replacement that is similar. You may be able to replace it with a simple toggle switch on/off for power to the wiring harness and a push button for the starter.

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Foligno

06-12-2006 07:45:22




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 Re: Power hookup for a swather with no key in reply to TimS, 06-12-2006 07:38:45  
There is in fact a toggle (no key) still on the unit. I saw 3 cables as you said. One bolted down to the frame (I assume negative ground).

Would the solenoid be a cylinder shape? Sorry, I know little about this stuff and would really rather not get shocked playing with it :). I know the starter is likely a cylindar shape as well. If so, I will assme that the smaller one is the solenoid...?

I was going to use my truck battery to try and start it. Think that will be enough (starts a V8 engine)? I guess after she starts, I need to figure out how to stop it :)

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Foligno

07-04-2006 05:53:17




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 Re: Power hookup for a swather with no key in reply to Foligno, 06-12-2006 07:45:22  
Sorry I took so long to reply back. Seemed as though my out-of-town project was never going to end. I tried the hookup as suggested. The solenoid looks much different than I expected (looks like the one on my old mower). Turns out that wire was already attached. I popped the box where there ignition toggle is and it has maybe 8 wires hooked to it. I assume that what I want to do is hook up to one of them. My question is (since I was too afraid to blow this thing up) how can I tell which lead to hook this up to? Is there a way to tell? It was tough to follow all of the wires through the unit. Another option I could see is possibly starting the unit with a screwdriver at the solenoid, but there are a fair number of moving parts there and Im not too comfortable doing it as I am really just a "weekend warrior" when it comes to this stuff :). Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
thanks

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TimS

06-12-2006 11:51:21




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 Re: Power hookup for a swather with no key in reply to Foligno, 06-12-2006 07:45:22  
A lot of solenoids are cylindrical, and a lot are mounted right on the side of the starter which is the bigger cylinder.

I don't anything about that type of Swather, some older equipment used 24 volt which would take two 12 volt batteries in series to get the right voltage.

Does that swather have any sort of id plate or serial number on it?

What type of engine, gas ( has a distributor and spark plugs ) or diesel ( has an injection pump and lines running to injectors ) ?

Ok, this is a fancy chrome starter, but you can see the solenoid on the top of the starter.

http://www.qualitypowerauto.com/catalog.php?item=27

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Foligno

06-13-2006 04:41:41




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 Re: Power hookup for a swather with no key in reply to TimS, 06-12-2006 11:51:21  
Thanks for your words of wisdom! Yes, that pic is what I am hoping it looks like. I will get to see the swather again tonight (been out of town). It is a gas engine (for usre has plugs, plus the fuel smells like unleaded, not deisel. Im reasonably sure about there being a serial number. Thanks for the 24 volt battery idea. The guy who sold it to me (with the farm) didnt mention 24 volts, but then again, he didn;t tell me about the bizzare hookup either :)


Im just a hobby farmer, but would love to do my own hay rather than swapping it for 1 cut and losing 80% of my land for rental.

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Bob

06-12-2006 06:15:10




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 Re: Power hookup for a swather with no key in reply to Foligno, 06-12-2006 05:48:33  
Wisconsin engine?



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Foligno

06-12-2006 06:35:51




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 Re: Power hookup for a swather with no key in reply to Bob, 06-12-2006 06:15:10  
Not looking, I would say "yes" if it is a GAS engine



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