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OT: Furnace Blower Problems

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Buzzman72

06-05-2006 06:45:50




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I have an LP furnace and central air conditioning unit in my house. The furnace was replaced 9 years ago. It's a Bard, model MPG100D48C. Probelm I'm having that the blower quit working a couple of weeks ago.

On the HEAT side, the electronic pilot lights, and the burner lights, but the blower simply won't start. On A/C, the condenser fan starts, the compressor runs and the evaporator gets cold, but the blower won't start.

The unit has an electronic control box with a green diagnostic LED; LED never blinks a trouble code; just goes bright/dim, which the chart says indicates "normal operation." Obviously, with the blower not working, it is definitely NOT "normal operation." The other night I accessed the blower itself, and the motor spins freely by hand, so the motor's not locked up. I'm planning to pick up a digital volt/ohm/amp meter today to check and see if there's current to the blower from the electronic control box.

Since I'm no furnace mechanic, what else should I check? Filters get changed every 30-45 days, so there's no problem there. Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated, since funds are low [otherwise I'd have called a repair person weeks ago].

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Kevin Bismark

06-05-2006 18:19:37




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 Re: OT: Furnace Blower Problems in reply to Buzzman72, 06-05-2006 06:45:50  
is the fan relay something that can be replaced, or do you have to replace the circuit board as a unit, take some voltage reading and see what you come up with, maybe see if the capicator tests open when it's out of the circuit..



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Martini

06-05-2006 12:13:42




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 Re: OT: Furnace Blower Problems in reply to Buzzman72, 06-05-2006 06:45:50  
I would refrain from trying to use the AC until
the circulation fan is active again. You are right in your troubleshooting method. Check for power the work back to the control card. Sometimes the thermostat has a manual/auto switch
as well. If there is no power to the fan, you could remove the wire to the fan and add a fused connection to a 120VAC outlet until you can save up for a control module. There is likely a solid-
state relay on it which has gone 'south'.

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Tom in Central Pa.

06-05-2006 09:58:49




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 Re: OT: Furnace Blower Problems in reply to Buzzman72, 06-05-2006 06:45:50  
Many units have a button/switch on the fan control, marked MAN (manual) and AUTO (automatic). when you turn the switch to MAN, the blower should run, without the heating or cooling. Just for air circulation.That would test just the fan"s circuit.



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Buzzman72

06-05-2006 20:11:26




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 Re: OT: Furnace Blower Problems in reply to Tom in Central Pa., 06-05-2006 09:58:49  
My THERMOSTAT has those settings. When I switch from AUTO to FAN, the electronic control box goes "click" but the fan doesn't come on. So I still don't know whether the problem's in the control unit or the fan motor.



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Tramway Guy

06-05-2006 08:40:10




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 Re: OT: Furnace Blower Problems in reply to Buzzman72, 06-05-2006 06:45:50  
Most furnaces have a thermal sensor/switch that keeps the blower off until the firebox warms up. That is so it doesn't blow cold air first. If that sensor is bad, you will not get a blower.
Have you tried it in the A/C mode? If the blower works then, you could rule out the motor, at least.



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Buzzman72

06-05-2006 20:06:36




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 Re: OT: Furnace Blower Problems in reply to Tramway Guy, 06-05-2006 08:40:10  
See my initial post. With A/C on, motor on condenser outside runs, and compressor runs, and evaporator gets cold...but the blower never kicks on.

Don"t know about any thermal sensor, but the electronic control box has a blower delay microswitch that can be set on 60, 100, 140, and 180-second delay. I"ve messed with that, and the blower won"t come on no matter what the delay setting is.



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Dan-IA

06-05-2006 07:26:20




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 Re: OT: Furnace Blower Problems in reply to Buzzman72, 06-05-2006 06:45:50  
I didn't hear you mention the fan belt. Isn't there one on your model? Does the motor not turn on? Has it worked at all this season? Next I'd check fuses and wiring. Maybe a mouse chewed on it.



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Buzzman72

06-05-2006 08:20:19




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 Re: OT: Furnace Blower Problems in reply to Dan-IA, 06-05-2006 07:26:20  
No belt...direct drive, squirrelcage is on the end of the motor shaft.

Blower motor worked perfectly until about 2-3 weeks ago. It ran fine all winter. Breaker isn't tripped, and 20A screw-in fuse at toggle switch on side of the furnace is still good as well. Of course, since it has current to electronic control module, I would assume then that there is current to the furnace...especially since electronic pilot lights when it's supposed to.

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buickanddeere

06-05-2006 07:18:54




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 Re: OT: Furnace Blower Problems in reply to Buzzman72, 06-05-2006 06:45:50  
Is there a fuse or breaker in the circuit that supplies the blower? You are looking for voltage at the motor terminals. Turn that test meter to current and place the the probes across 120 or 240 and the meter may smoke. Sometimes a single phase motor's starter switch sticks in the start position. The motor's thermals either trip or the start windings burn out. Is there a capacitor anywhere on or near the motor?

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Buzzman72

06-05-2006 08:30:33




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 Re: OT: Furnace Blower Problems in reply to buickanddeere, 06-05-2006 07:18:54  
If set to the proper voltage scale, I didn't realize you could smoke the meter. If it's not good for the range it says, why do they put that range on the meter to begin with?

Now, I could understand blowing the internal fuse if the amperage was too high; but if the DVOM is set to the proper scale, why would it get fried?

I don't know much about capacitors on these motors; I just know mechanics. Wife THINKS that, because I'm a man, I should know everything there is to know about plumbing, electrical contracting, roofing, concrete, construction, and septic systems...so obviously, since I've never worked in ANY of those fields, and never had training in any of them, I'm a deficient member of the species.

Maybe I'm not to swift on this troubleshooting thing...but I figured that, before I started worrying about capacitors, maybe I oughta check to see if there is any voltage going to the motor to begin with. Is that the wrong way to proceed? I just figured that, if the electronic control module isn't switching power to the blower motor, the problem might well be in the electronic module...and if there IS voltage to the motor, THEN I can investigate why the motor isn't running. Or is my logic faulty in this line of reasoning?

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buickanddeere

06-05-2006 13:43:23




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 Re: OT: Furnace Blower Problems in reply to Buzzman72, 06-05-2006 08:30:33  
Having the meter set to the wrong voltage scale should not cause damage on a quality digital meter given the applied voltage is less than 500,600 or 750 depending. Having the test meter set for current measurment and placing the test leads across 120 or 240 will make sparks. If the electronic control has failed then just adding a simple mechanical on/off switch for the fan motor will do as a temporary farmer fix. During AC season the fan should be running 100% of the time instead of cycling anyways. Same goes for winter heating season.

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Kevin Bismark

06-05-2006 18:17:27




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 Re: OT: Furnace Blower Problems in reply to buickanddeere, 06-05-2006 13:43:23  
Had a customer try to fix some motor problems with his hired man a few weeks ago, they went and got a cheep meter and had it set to the resistance scale and threw it across the lugs on a pretty good sized motor starter 480 volt, and were telling me how shocked they were when the meter blew up and the big fire ball that came out of the cabinet, they got real lucky and didn"t get burned. you are right, on the voltages in a house you should just blow the fuse in the meter..
Kevin

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TimS

06-05-2006 09:03:02




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 Re: OT: Furnace Blower Problems in reply to Buzzman72, 06-05-2006 08:30:33  
I would check the voltage leading to the fan when the fan should be running.

The motor driving the fan could have died, the capacitor that stores energy to help the motor start could have gone bad.

I would suggest if you have current going to the fan that you take it out and drag it to a hvac supply store and have them test the capacitor ( I think you can test a capcitor with an ohm meter ) and motor ( I am sure you can test the windings on the motor with an ohm meter ) and help you out that way.

If you need a new blower motor they can sell you one...

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